Official battles searching......



  • We have 3 battles playing and all against “the Alliance” that are in 1st, my crew are 2nd. I’m wondering how the search works? We’re searching for a 4th and I’m sure that other crews below us will be searching for a crew. Think Alliance only want to play 3 at a time, we would like 4. All the crews are in the same division in the top 100 at the minute so just wondering how this search works and why we’re not getting a battle against another crew in our division?


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    @jeffro-davies said in Official battles searching......:

    We have 3 battles playing and all against “the Alliance” that are in 1st, my crew are 2nd. I’m wondering how the search works? We’re searching for a 4th and I’m sure that other crews below us will be searching for a crew. Think Alliance only want to play 3 at a time, we would like 4. All the crews are in the same division in the top 100 at the minute so just wondering how this search works and why we’re not getting a battle against another crew in our division?

    Hello Jeffy ! 🙂

    I was expecting this question coming from you mate.
    So here is the explanation to your question ...

    OSM's CB Match-making Criteria :
    

    Crew Battle match-making, as everything else on OSM, is designed to fit all managers and not just a specific group of managers.
    This been said, match-making has few criteria that have to be fulfilled in order for crews to be matched but at the same time keep battles as fair as possible , whether it comes to Battle Points ( BPs ) earned or to competitiveness.
    Those criteria are based on crew level , divisions and difference of total crew battle points. Something that also is taken into account is if you're "searching for an opponent" or if you're "waiting for an opponent".

    Just to clarify the difference :

    Search for an opponent - Your crew completes line up and it's matched with a crew that's waiting for an opponent.
    Wait for an opponent - Your crew completes line up and there's no crew that matches the criteria so you're not matched. Then your crew stays in the list waiting for an opponent to appear.

    If your crew is on a higher level way too far from other crews, well in that case...
    Congratulations for the achievement!
    But at the same time sorry, because it will be harder for you to find an opponent that matches the requested criteria.



  • @SUPERNOVA-8
    Hi Sophie and thank you. Although that has helped me I’m wondering what this certain bit means:-

    “If your crew is on a higher level way too far from other crews, well in that case...
    Congratulations for the achievement!”

    I know that it’s not matching crews just from the same divisions now that’s obvious with us and Alliance getting a little lead and playing each other in 3 battles at the same time. So it’s got to be difference in crew medals? Could you find out what the difference is in points? So for example.....

    Say if we’re 2k medals in front of the next crew behind us, would we not find a crew at all? I would like to know the exact amount of medals when it would stop us playing or searching for a crew if us or Alliance didn’t want to play each other anymore please? If one of us stopped searching at this point would we get another battle against someone else?


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  • Battle is a comparison between the crews. In this case it should be boring for both crews. There the system should be revised fast. Or does Tottenham always play against Liverpool in the CL finals?



  • @SUPERNOVA-8

    This really doesn’t answer my question Sophie mate. All these in the screen shots are crews in the same division but we can’t play them anymore I think? Us and Alliance it seams we can’t play another crews apart from each other and think it’s the “crew medals” difference? I’m wanting to know how many crew points difference between crews so we could play? I’m guessing between 1.5k and 2k but I’d like to know please the exact amount if that’s possible.


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    @jeffro-davies said in Official battles searching......:

    @SUPERNOVA-8
    Hi Sophie and thank you. Although that has helped me I’m wondering what this certain bit means:-

    “If your crew is on a higher level way too far from other crews, well in that case...
    Congratulations for the achievement!”

    I know that it’s not matching crews just from the same divisions now that’s obvious with us and Alliance getting a little lead and playing each other in 3 battles at the same time. So it’s got to be difference in crew medals? Could you find out what the difference is in points? So for example.....

    Yes Jeff, one of the basic criteria is the total amount of each Crew in Medals. Medals = BPs ( Battle Points )
    I thought this was obvious.

    Say if we’re 2k medals in front of the next crew behind us, would we not find a crew at all? I would like to know the exact amount of medals when it would stop us playing or searching for a crew if us or Alliance didn’t want to play each other anymore please? If one of us stopped searching at this point would we get another battle against someone else?

    Jeff I have to try and make you see some basic differences among the Crews :

    1. Not every Crew has the maximum amount of members , which is 24 as we speak.

    2. Not every Crew is able or willing or is as passionate as IDAS in order to create non-stop 4 different Crew battle teams.

    3. The majority of the Top 100 Crews , as you can see for yourself , belongs to the Legend Division.

    But the engine is trying to give equal and fair chances to every Crew and manager.

    a) If the Crews that are closest to yours in Medals of course are not even searching for 4 different battle teams then how do you expect to find a new opponent for 4 different battles ?
    b) If the Crews that have huge difference in Medals were matched with your battle teams or Alliance's , even though all of you belong in the same Division , then OSM would get many unhappy managers and battlers. Don't you agree?

    I am sorry but I'm in no position to share with you the exact numbers or range that the match-making system uses. All you can do is to wait for more Crews to start searching for a new battle or to get closer to your amount of Medals and make a good match for both sides.



  • @SUPERNOVA-8 thank you for your help Sophie mate



  • We been searching for a battle since Sunday the 20th October. It’s now Thursday 24th! Eagles of Kosovo (in 9th) started 2 battles today, Luso (in 7th and TURK (in 6th). How do we miss all these crews? We’ve only looked at the crews near us that have been ending and sure we missed loads more. I don’t really think it’s fair being punished for being in 2nd and having played less battles than loads of crews round us



  • I was reading everything carefully here. There is a team who is waiting since 9 days to run a battle. I'm waiting since 4-5 days to have a battle too.

    1. Not every Crew has the maximum amount of members , which is 24 as we speak.
      90% of the crews that are in top 10 are playing 3-4 battles so for doing that you need a minimum of 15 members per crew and avg members per crew in top 10 is 19members and there are 7 crews that have more than 20 members on the crew. (there are 28 battle matches possibility be played).

    2. Not every Crew is able or willing or is as passionate as IDAS in order to create non-stop 4 different Crew battle teams.
      There is nothing that can masseur passion of the crew? Isn't this passion! that 90% of crews in top 10 have more than 100 battle won!!

    3. The majority of the Top 100 Crews , as you can see for yourself , belongs to the Legend Division. But the engine is trying to give equal and fair chances to every Crew and manager.

    I was analyzing top 10 crews and cant find a key thing or I can understand what we call fair and equal here, for example
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    there is a lot of difference between them

    or this
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    Or this ! when we had 2 battles waiting for days this happen:

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    After checking every single battle on top 10 and every player on that battle, I saw that max medals from crew to crew can be max 10% and BP between players an avg 50BP per players (250 bp per whole team).

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    So what I can see from all of this, that system of matchmaking doesn't allow a crew to have a big difference from other crews.

    This can be changed and be configured on a way that every player can be happy and competition to be fair.

    Now its like you run and when your reach the finish you have to stop and wait other players to reach you.

    This can be fixed if really the calculation matters. There are a lots of calculation that can be made and of course OSM players can support on that 🙂

    in our case this is not happening "Those criteria are based on crew level , divisions and difference of total crew battle points."



  • Very impressive @bearded-conte
    Especially the bit where we’re waiting for 2 battles (one 10days and one 4days) and 4th in the ranking gets a battle against 23rd with 2,412 medals/battlepoints difference.

    IDAS in 2nd and the 4th rank crew difference in medals is only 1328 and we was searching when they got matched. How is this fair matching?

    Who sorts these battles out because this is just one valid point out of many that these battles are not being matched fair? Could someone who knows how the matching works please PM me or post on here. I feel our crew isn’t getting a fair roll of the dice and these statistics prove that.





  • @نااانسي-عجرم 😂whats that about?



  • @jeffro-davies
    You said that you are punished by being on top 😂😂
    I like you description 💔





  • I stumbled upon this topic and now I'm a bit intrigued too. My crew regularely get opponents from top 20 (my last opponents are 15th), while we are around 70th place, that 2000+ bp difference. It doesn't seem like an equal level to me, unless everyone in the 3000bp range is equal, in that case seems like most of top 100 can play randomly. 🤔 Just a piece of my mind, thats all.



  • @IvanAndal it’s really is shockingly bad, we only have 2 battles at the minute. One of our teams has been searching for over a week! Another ready to search soon as they find one. Nobody could care less about trying to give an explanation how it works. Sophie has tried (thank you btw)but obviously doesn’t know. Me and Ermal have proven that these battles are not getting matched up fairly, we are seeing crews just below us getting crews lower ranked while we have been searching. It’s not just the odd battle, it’s loads now and very laughable. I wouldn’t mind but we’re not even 1st and don’t have a big lead on other crews! Nobody can or will tell us


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    @jeffro-davies @HBlauzahn @bearded-conte @نااانسي-عجرم @IvanAndal

    Hello everybody . 🙂 First of all I would like to thank you all for your posts.

    Jeffy like you said already and thank you for that, I have tried to help you guys out with everything there is known about the CB matching. I believe though I missed mentioning one detail about it.
    You have to know that only one battle team at a time should be set on search for a match making.
    For example : if your crew has already 2 battles ongoing then you should start searching for a third battle with only one team, wait for the engine to find your 3rd opponent and afterwards proceed to your 4th attempt.

    As for the exact ranges of the match making , could you guys make your suggestions about them ?
    Because Jeffy as you could see from Ivan's post while you find it hard to have 4 crew battles at the same time, others complain about the range difference of their own battles and find the match making unfair.
    So could we please talk about it and share opinions and thoughts about this matter here ?

    Question : Which range do you guys think would be ideal , fair and work best for all crews ? Meaning difference in Medals ( +/- ) between crews to be matched for an upcoming battle.



  • @SUPERNOVA-8

    Answer to your example:-
    We’re only searching one at a time Sophie mate. Soon as one is found out our last team will start searching ASAP. That’s how we have been doing it, I even booted someone yesterday and started searching again with just the one team as we didn’t find a crew in over a week.

    As for examples to search I’m unsure, we only watch crews in the top 10 when their battles reset hoping we get one of them and haven’t looked past the top 10ranked and somehow they’re missing us and playing lower ranked crews. I’m sure they would love to play us instead and a chance to catch up.

    Think the top 10 should be done slightly different to be honest. For example 2k medals difference to lower ranked crews can get a lot higher ranked and jump lots of places in searching. But 2k difference in the top 10 is isn’t much at all between the higher ranked crews. So maybe top 10 searching could be done differently (from 1st to 10th is over 2.5k battlepoints difference at the minute.



  • I would really like other lower ranked crews opinions on this. I’m sure they would like to play higher ranked crews? Or would they rather play crews close to them?


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