Divisions - Discussion/Questions....
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Its nice to see we are finally getting some answers and explanations. Always nice to see that our "complaints" and suggestions are being at least looked in to and taken into consideration.
Anyway, I would like that all of us focus more on suggestions to improve the medal system in order that we have as much as possible fair system that will award competitiveness and activity. Focusing only on cheaters and focusing only on the fact that we dont like medal system will surelly not help to improve much.
So lets think about it and give some great suggestion, some people already tried to give some awesome feedback and suggestions, and there are some really great ideas here, lets keep it up!
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@dennis-s-bergkamp said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
I only think that the majority of managers playing in crews want to have the medals excluded for all official crew events, like battles, CCW, FMS or Crew leagues. Is that possible to implement?
Not really sure if this is the way to go. The only possibility I see here is to add another setting when requesting leagues, so league mods can enable/disable it. It will require also adjustments on signing up, because it will have to be clear that Medals are active or not. On the specific situation of crew battles, it will have to be ALL on or ALL off....
On a personal opinion I think that if we change, we should go for a change on calculation of win/draw/loss medals according with managers division and also end of season medals calculation.
You give yourself as an example, but you have to be honest that you or any of your crew mates don't play the same amount of battles other more active crews do. (and playing the crew league isn't too hard for you for a long time, because you always end up at the top
)Are you saying that "The Force" crew league is an easy league ? How many did you won in the 9 seasons you played there
? And don't forget that I always play with the lowest goal team on crew league 
You should play a few more to make me lose 4K (2 * 2K) on every season
In case someone wants to try it, just drop me a line This is the list of League and cup winners and also managers who did the double on the 138 seasons we already played (I know, I know.... I'm abusing my position and advertising my league)
Another suggestion I have is to implement a bonus for playing against a TC and draw or win without using a TC yourself. A lot of managers in higher divisions are facing managers from lower divisions an get a lot of TCs against, making it very hard to counter all of them. Getting some extra medals for having good results in those matches seems more fair to me.
This is something that's already being considered
No promises, but who knows what future will bring 
btw I see that OSM staff is finally cleaning up the top ranking. keep it up!
Tks! As some of you know, we doesn't punish users without strong evidences and these cases require an access level to info that staff doesn't have, so it's always necessary the help of Gamebasics. This is why punishing these managers take longer than we would like and also why we prefer to work towards discourage this kind of cheating (an on going project) and educate our users!
@specialone said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
Not really sure if this is the way to go. The only possibility I see here is to add another setting when requesting leagues, so league mods can enable/disable it. It will require also adjustments on signing up, because it will have to be clear that Medals are active or not. On the specific situation of crew battles, it will have to be ALL on or ALL off....
On a personal opinion I think that if we change, we should go for a change on calculation of win/draw/loss medals according with managers division and also end of season medals calculation.
I would say all off for crew battles, but I appreciate it's being considered.
Are you saying that "The Force" crew league is an easy league ? How many did you won in the 9 seasons you played there
? And don't forget that I always play with the lowest goal team on crew league
You should play a few more to make me lose 4K (2 * 2K) on every season
In case someone wants to try it, just drop me a line This is the list of League and cup winners and also managers who did the double on the 138 seasons we already played (I know, I know.... I'm abusing my position and advertising my league)
no, I didn't say it was easy, only you win most of them (like your table shows ) I was close 1 or 2 times, but still suffer from it not winning once 
But always enjoyed playing it!
If I have time and a free slot I will certainly come and play more leagues
See @jeffro-davies already applied for the next oneThis is something that's already being considered
No promises, but who knows what future will bring Let's wait and see then
You can either blame everybody else or you can take a look at yourself and determine where you can improve.
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@specialone said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
Not really sure if this is the way to go. The only possibility I see here is to add another setting when requesting leagues, so league mods can enable/disable it. It will require also adjustments on signing up, because it will have to be clear that Medals are active or not. On the specific situation of crew battles, it will have to be ALL on or ALL off....
On a personal opinion I think that if we change, we should go for a change on calculation of win/draw/loss medals according with managers division and also end of season medals calculation.
I would say all off for crew battles, but I appreciate it's being considered.
Are you saying that "The Force" crew league is an easy league ? How many did you won in the 9 seasons you played there
? And don't forget that I always play with the lowest goal team on crew league
You should play a few more to make me lose 4K (2 * 2K) on every season
In case someone wants to try it, just drop me a line This is the list of League and cup winners and also managers who did the double on the 138 seasons we already played (I know, I know.... I'm abusing my position and advertising my league) no, I didn't say it was easy, only you win most of them (like your table shows ) I was close 1 or 2 times, but still suffer from it not winning once But always enjoyed playing it!
If I have time and a free slot I will certainly come and play more leagues
See @jeffro-davies already applied for the next oneThis is something that's already being considered
No promises, but who knows what future will bring Let's wait and see then
@dennis-s-bergkamp Albino wonβt reply to me but Iβm sure I could win it given the chance, thatβs if itβs fair.
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@dennis-s-bergkamp Albino wonβt reply to me but Iβm sure I could win it given the chance, thatβs if itβs fair.
Force & Friends leagues are always fair. No ST and TC used and no abuse of BC
( but you cannot expect anything else from staff members )I know @woopertje did join once and he couldn't manage it either, Although he had difficulty of having a goal 1.
You can either blame everybody else or you can take a look at yourself and determine where you can improve.
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Force & Friends leagues are always fair. No ST and TC used and no abuse of BC
( but you cannot expect anything else from staff members )I know @woopertje did join once and he couldn't manage it either, Although he had difficulty of having a goal 1.
@dennis-s-bergkamp said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
I know @woopertje did join once and he couldn't manage it either, Although he had difficulty of having a goal 1.
We're playing now the 139th Season, we already had 104 different managers playing on it and only 36 different managers won it
But let's get back on topic, otherwise I'll have to warn/ban myself
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@dennis-s-bergkamp said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
I know @woopertje did join once and he couldn't manage it either, Although he had difficulty of having a goal 1.
We're playing now the 139th Season, we already had 104 different managers playing on it and only 36 different managers won it
But let's get back on topic, otherwise I'll have to warn/ban myself
@specialone said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
@dennis-s-bergkamp said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
I know @woopertje did join once and he couldn't manage it either, Although he had difficulty of having a goal 1.
We're playing now the 139th Season, we already had 104 different managers playing on it and only 36 different managers won it
But let's get back on topic, otherwise I'll have to warn/ban myself
Letβs make it 37
I see 5 CPUs in the current one. Sure you could make room for me in the next one. Think this is like the 20th message you have ignored me now over the last few monthsleast youβre talking to others and answering questions which is good. I wonβt ask again, il take the hint and wonβt talk about it anymore. -
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@somrob
Now playing with teams with low objectives means loss of more medals. And most of all, you lose thrice the number of medals (which you get when you win a match) when you lose a match. I agree your pointBoss at Pro Manager Guiders
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@somrob
Now playing with teams with low objectives means loss of more medals. And most of all, you lose thrice the number of medals (which you get when you win a match) when you lose a match. I agree your point@vinayak-singh-mehra said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:
Now playing with teams with low objectives means loss of more medals
If you are a bad manager, you are sure to lose more medal points.
The only difference is that you get the same number of medal points when you take a club with obj 16 and obj 1, while with manager points it is not so. And if you want to be on top, you have to play with 4 slots -
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@SpecialOne said:
There will never be a perfect system that please all users
...so we decided to create a system that almost everyone will hate
there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.
ladies and gentlemen, i want to introduce you to @ΡΠ°ΡΠΊΠΎΠΏ_1, Russia top-1 since the beginning of spring
if you wish, you can check the style of his play
On the technical side, old ranking system is becoming way too heavy for engines with the increase of number of users (keep in mind that every user have up to 4 entries on MP ranking system)
it's 2021... can anyone believe in this?
and my favorite:Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills
the winner of the strongest CIS league received a negative bonus according to its results
playing against a manager with a much stronger lineup, the system considers such a balance of points to be fair
maybe I'm wrong, but having the status of admin and forum moderator, one of your missions is to convey a message from the community to the developers
Based on the all-time low rating message, have you decided that everything is ok? I think you are useless to the community, but only contribute to the transformation of a good game (which is an important part of the lives of thousands of people around the world) into another casual shit from the playmarket. Bon Appetit.Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills.
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@SpecialOne said:
There will never be a perfect system that please all users
...so we decided to create a system that almost everyone will hate
there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.
ladies and gentlemen, i want to introduce you to @ΡΠ°ΡΠΊΠΎΠΏ_1, Russia top-1 since the beginning of spring
if you wish, you can check the style of his play
On the technical side, old ranking system is becoming way too heavy for engines with the increase of number of users (keep in mind that every user have up to 4 entries on MP ranking system)
it's 2021... can anyone believe in this?
and my favorite:Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills
the winner of the strongest CIS league received a negative bonus according to its results
playing against a manager with a much stronger lineup, the system considers such a balance of points to be fair
maybe I'm wrong, but having the status of admin and forum moderator, one of your missions is to convey a message from the community to the developers
Based on the all-time low rating message, have you decided that everything is ok? I think you are useless to the community, but only contribute to the transformation of a good game (which is an important part of the lives of thousands of people around the world) into another casual shit from the playmarket. Bon Appetit.@wenger-wise This is the case, the game has become boring with the classification of medals
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@wenger-wise This is the case, the game has become boring with the classification of medals
I do not know what to add I have already said everything, or passed on the information and examples by the staff of my country ... It was however so simple to limit the ranking of medals to a single account and not to the 4, and to count that the open championships ....
8 years of the game going up in smoke .... more fun ... thank you
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I do not know what to add I have already said everything, or passed on the information and examples by the staff of my country ... It was however so simple to limit the ranking of medals to a single account and not to the 4, and to count that the open championships ....
8 years of the game going up in smoke .... more fun ... thank you
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@timilic7 Now the coaches will cut the game because of the non-existent justice and the game just wants to make money
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@wakil-isco No need to even spend money ... 4 closed championships, against the computer, all the time .. No recruitments no friends no training camp ..... So no need to even give up money
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@timilic7 But what is the goal of the game against a computer and not playing against experienced coaches? Is this because of a stupid, ignorant arrangement that has no benefit?
@wakil-isco No interest, but in any case that no longer allows me to be at the top of the ranking while playing osm duels with my crew or championships against a good manager ... And leaves room at the top representing the eh we likes to the majority of average players ...
Who have a division and a ranking above mine in 6 months -
@wakil-isco No interest, but in any case that no longer allows me to be at the top of the ranking while playing osm duels with my crew or championships against a good manager ... And leaves room at the top representing the eh we likes to the majority of average players ...
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@timilic7 Unfortunately, this is the reality. Now we will see what will happen when the training points are deducted, and whether the medal system will be modified
@wakil-isco
i like the new medal system, higher ranking is harder to hold on. just the top 100 ranking gives opportunity to play private leagues in order to manipulate your ranking by easy winning your own league cause there is no competition. top 100 manager should forced to play competition tournaments or leagues by osm system randomly once per month and up to 4 slots. π¦Ώ
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A suggestion
When we are defeated, the medallion points decrease, but this is not so. Isn't it too much to lose more than 1500 medal points, even if we lose 3 times what we earn from the points won against the manager, but you lose more than 10 times the winnings, when we win against a manager, we give us 88 medallion points against the team without a manager. 8 -12 points it's not fair, we can't always play against the manager team so we can win the points we lost
