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  • SpecialOneS Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Quite some time has passed since this topic was created and quite a lot of things happened on OSM world, but we didn't forgot about OSM WC.
    So... let me provide you guys some info to keep you all up to date and at same time collect some feedback πŸ‘

    At the moment I'm writing this, we're doing a pilot WC on Dutch region OSM. As you all know, it's a separate environment and therefore fit for pilots.

    The WC is structured as followed:

    • all managers can join a specific WC Tournament with 128 teams and without BC-settings (with which we're unfortunately having some problems at the moment).
    • All the winners of the Tournaments will be invited for the next round. Depending on how many managers will join, 1 or 2 rounds will follow.
    • The last round is a normal league (instead of a Tournament) to do a final check on who's the best manager of OSM in 2021 - besides the top managers in the Rankings of course.

    If this is a success, we want to bring the WC to World region OSM as well, of course. What do you think? Like the idea? Any suggestions?

    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill

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    • SpecialOneS SpecialOne

      Quite some time has passed since this topic was created and quite a lot of things happened on OSM world, but we didn't forgot about OSM WC.
      So... let me provide you guys some info to keep you all up to date and at same time collect some feedback πŸ‘

      At the moment I'm writing this, we're doing a pilot WC on Dutch region OSM. As you all know, it's a separate environment and therefore fit for pilots.

      The WC is structured as followed:

      • all managers can join a specific WC Tournament with 128 teams and without BC-settings (with which we're unfortunately having some problems at the moment).
      • All the winners of the Tournaments will be invited for the next round. Depending on how many managers will join, 1 or 2 rounds will follow.
      • The last round is a normal league (instead of a Tournament) to do a final check on who's the best manager of OSM in 2021 - besides the top managers in the Rankings of course.

      If this is a success, we want to bring the WC to World region OSM as well, of course. What do you think? Like the idea? Any suggestions?

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      ruipsc5
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      @specialone

      Hey!

      I think that the Knok Out Royale mode isn't the best to identify the World Champion, because the game simulator is pretty random, sometimes.

      Basically, the best OSM manager is the one who can improve its squad by buying/selling and the one who is strong tactically. And you can only show it in a league. In the Tournaments it's a lottery, for me. πŸ™‚ In the last tournament that I've played (FMS), for example, I lost because of away goals (lost 2-0 away and won 3-1 at home and my opponent only had 1 shot, for example, statistically).

      So, for me, the best model would be a league system worldwide where all the teams in each league would be equal and where you can buy/sell and compete. And in the end, the bottom half of each league would be eliminated and the upper half would qualify for the next phase.

      Thanks for earing us!

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      Crew Cup World Staff Member

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      • MenagerBLM Offline
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        Knock-out system is bad. One red card and your tournament is over. Only league system.

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        • Wenger WiseW Offline
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          #5

          an incredible gesture on your part to turn off the coins, I am genuinely surprised and very happy about this
          but the identification the best in the play-off system in a game where more than half of the success sometimes depends on randomness ... this is rather unfair
          undoubtedly, a strong manager will win, but first of all he will not be the strongest, but the luckiest, and will not receive the same recognition as before

          Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills.

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          • SpecialOneS SpecialOne

            Quite some time has passed since this topic was created and quite a lot of things happened on OSM world, but we didn't forgot about OSM WC.
            So... let me provide you guys some info to keep you all up to date and at same time collect some feedback πŸ‘

            At the moment I'm writing this, we're doing a pilot WC on Dutch region OSM. As you all know, it's a separate environment and therefore fit for pilots.

            The WC is structured as followed:

            • all managers can join a specific WC Tournament with 128 teams and without BC-settings (with which we're unfortunately having some problems at the moment).
            • All the winners of the Tournaments will be invited for the next round. Depending on how many managers will join, 1 or 2 rounds will follow.
            • The last round is a normal league (instead of a Tournament) to do a final check on who's the best manager of OSM in 2021 - besides the top managers in the Rankings of course.

            If this is a success, we want to bring the WC to World region OSM as well, of course. What do you think? Like the idea? Any suggestions?

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            Majstor Matt
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            @specialone said in OSM WC 2021 Edition:

            • The last round is a normal league (instead of a Tournament) to do a final check on who's the best manager of OSM in 2021 - **besides the top managers in the Rankings of course.
              **

            Good one there, really cracked me up πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„

            As for the knockout system, as guys stated above thats pure luck fest, and you can never know when will a red card (even if you play normal on red ref) or a bad case of luck strike you.

            I appreciate the effort you guys are making to include the most managers you can but this simply is not the way for me.

            My suggestion is to call up top managers that are ranked globally via medals, everyone has the same chance and it does show who has the best win rate. So lets see who of those glorius top 100 managers (of which most of them are in closed leagues) is trully the best! πŸ˜„ I'd really like to see how many of them would accept the invitation πŸ™‚

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            • M Markez17

              Hello everyone,

              First of all, sorry for this delay creating the topic and giving you all all news about this popular event in OSM.
              This year, due to external reason, we can't have the same qualification system and we must stop the OSM WC until we have a new fair method.

              We (All CMs and Global Staff) are working on a new big project, the biggest project you never seen before here in OSM, trying to find the best choice for you all. The idea is to have it during 2021 and begin the 1st edition of this new WC system during May or June. I'm going to give you here, in this topic, any news related with it.

              I hope you all understand that this is not my own decision, I'm just giving the message after some weeks of discuss and check that it won't be possible to keep the same system. I prefer to make this post now and no on February/March.

              My inbox is always open to suggestions/ideas, always with respect.

              Thanks you for your time and sorry for the bad new.

              Best regards,
              Manuel - Events Manager

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              @markez17
              Hi
              Good news.. I hope...

              Hello, having participated several times in this event, I allow myself a few comments on the current proposal:

              We are the opposite of what exists in terms of competitions for example NBA, or football world cup .. Or logically we start with a qualification phase in the form of a more or less long championship to end with a final phase with elimination direct.

              This avoids two main problems:

              An immediate direct elimination can make All the best fall against each other directly, in a single match that is not necessarily representative.

              And that leaves too much room to chance .. With a red card in the first round from the 3rd minute for example, on a game where the share of luck is important especially with equivalent teams without recruitment

              I would find it more logical to start with qualifying championships. Quit to, to limit the number of participants, only register players with 10/20/30/40/50 seasons of experience or more for example.

              And the winners (or 2 first depending on the number) of these championships would participate in the big finals type world cup ac small groups then direct elimination match .. Or direct elimination if simpler ..

              Good day

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              • Majstor MattM Offline
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                #8

                Winners cup system would be so much more deserving that this proposed luck fest.

                How? Well lets say there is a special 24 teams league where you have transfers, trainings and everything, but without boss coins - open to join for everyone with base set experience (lets say 365 games - so that people who played for a full year can only get a chance). Top 4 finishers in that league get a ticket for a Qualification tournament in a form of a winners cup (yes, we have a knockout there, but at least in order to get to tgat knockout you had to show some skill and consistency). Winners of that special tournament competition get a ticket to the OSM World Cup. When we reach that stage.... just hit me, why am I writing this? Nothing will change anyway lol just like nothing is changing with this ridiculous ranking system with pointless medals..

                Good luck everyone, you will need it if youre gonna play this system.

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                • MenagerBLM MenagerBL

                  Knock-out system is bad. One red card and your tournament is over. Only league system.

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                  @menagerbl reasons we all miss our bloody MP, this new medals cant be used for WC at all, never participated in the world cup either but would have been fun pushing to try and qualify, ooh well that's that, all the best with this new system however it will be

                  RETIRED Crew Cup World Staff Member
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                  • timilic7T Offline
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                    Hi,
                    No OSM WC again? The classification of medals is not a good and just means of selection?
                    When do you plan to organize this WC?

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                    • The.Answer.T Offline
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                      Is there any update? We are now in 2022 I think it is time to organize the new edition of the OSM WC. Since the league system is the only way in which the manager's skill prevails over luck, it would be necessary to start organizing the competition given the potential quantity of managers who will sign up.

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                      • timilic7T timilic7

                        Hi,
                        No OSM WC again? The classification of medals is not a good and just means of selection?
                        When do you plan to organize this WC?

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                        @timilic7 I wonder why medals is not good enough for them to invite people. I would really like to see this pro's on top 10 battle themselves. πŸ˜ƒ

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                        • Majstor MattM Majstor Matt

                          @timilic7 I wonder why medals is not good enough for them to invite people. I would really like to see this pro's on top 10 battle themselves. πŸ˜ƒ

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                          @majstor-matt πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

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                            @majstor-matt πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

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                            hello staff, still no news for the world championship? the members of the top 100 are waiting impatiently to finally play against a real opponent, or even discover what a loss is!!!!!!
                            a discovery for them with their admirable winning percentage!!!

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                            • timilic7T timilic7

                              hello staff, still no news for the world championship? the members of the top 100 are waiting impatiently to finally play against a real opponent, or even discover what a loss is!!!!!!
                              a discovery for them with their admirable winning percentage!!!

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                              @timilic7 The classification of medals is not a good and just means of selection.

                              Regards
                              AlexandraAlis

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                              • A AlexandraAlisDD

                                @timilic7 The classification of medals is not a good and just means of selection.

                                Regards
                                AlexandraAlis

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                                @alexandraalisdd πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚Obviously!!! We joke about this ridiculous medal rankingπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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                                  Well, something that everyone liked and was part of the OSM culture was the WC that took place every year, the classification method being the old points ranking after the end of this ranking the tournament could not find a fair method to classify the players, since that the current medal system is greatly circumvented by players who are at the top of the rankings when entering leagues full of CPU, or leagues with accounts controlled by him to favor him or even entering leagues with very weak players where he has no difficulty in win the league.

                                  As it seems obvious the previous points system used will not return, so how can we classify players for the tournament, taking into account maintaining a certain kind of quality within the players that will participate?

                                  Well, my proposal for this problem that everyone wants to see solved because it's something that is part of OSM's own culture is to use the app's battles.

                                  How would it work, taking into account the quality detail. Well, if only the app battles wouldn't help to solve the problem, because many would create a new group and battle weaker Crews to get the most points.

                                  Problem that can be solved with the existing divisions of the groups, being given a different bonus taking into account the division where the Crews are.

                                  Something like that:

                                  OSM Division (+25001)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 3.5 bonus

                                  Legend Division (17501-25000)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 2.5 bonus

                                  World Star Division (10001-17500)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 1.75 bonus

                                  Champion Division (5001-10000)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 1.0 bonus

                                  Pro Division (2501-5000)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 0.5 bonus

                                  Semi-pro Division (1001-2500)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 0.25 bonus

                                  Amateur Division (0-1000)
                                  

                                  Final league score x 0.1 bonus

                                  This idea is not only aimed at maintaining a historic tournament, but it will also allow the groups themselves to give more importance to the app's battles, which will lead to greater development of the groups, improving the quality of the players.

                                  With this method the WC will have the best OSM players participating, although the higher rankings of the divisions will give more points, the difficulty of scoring in these rankings is higher than in the lower rankings, which raises the quality of the tournament.

                                  The qualification period for the tournament could be the same (6 months), or it could even be increased to a period of 9 months for even new groups that may have a period to move up in rankings to increase their chances of having representatives in the WC .

                                  However, the advantages of this method of guaranteeing the quality of the players participating in the WC, since it is impossible to manipulate the results, the advantage of making the app's battles have an extra meaning, the advantage that everyone can, if they want, be in the WC if they strive, the very development of the groups that will evolve for the better and most importantly maintain a tournament that is part of the culture and history of OSM.

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                                    Ive never played in this tournament because never cared for old ranking just like with new ranking. But looks like GB has abandoned this tournament permanently and it's sad.

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                                    • FeelStrikeXF FeelStrikeX

                                      Well, something that everyone liked and was part of the OSM culture was the WC that took place every year, the classification method being the old points ranking after the end of this ranking the tournament could not find a fair method to classify the players, since that the current medal system is greatly circumvented by players who are at the top of the rankings when entering leagues full of CPU, or leagues with accounts controlled by him to favor him or even entering leagues with very weak players where he has no difficulty in win the league.

                                      As it seems obvious the previous points system used will not return, so how can we classify players for the tournament, taking into account maintaining a certain kind of quality within the players that will participate?

                                      Well, my proposal for this problem that everyone wants to see solved because it's something that is part of OSM's own culture is to use the app's battles.

                                      How would it work, taking into account the quality detail. Well, if only the app battles wouldn't help to solve the problem, because many would create a new group and battle weaker Crews to get the most points.

                                      Problem that can be solved with the existing divisions of the groups, being given a different bonus taking into account the division where the Crews are.

                                      Something like that:

                                      OSM Division (+25001)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 3.5 bonus

                                      Legend Division (17501-25000)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 2.5 bonus

                                      World Star Division (10001-17500)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 1.75 bonus

                                      Champion Division (5001-10000)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 1.0 bonus

                                      Pro Division (2501-5000)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 0.5 bonus

                                      Semi-pro Division (1001-2500)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 0.25 bonus

                                      Amateur Division (0-1000)
                                      

                                      Final league score x 0.1 bonus

                                      This idea is not only aimed at maintaining a historic tournament, but it will also allow the groups themselves to give more importance to the app's battles, which will lead to greater development of the groups, improving the quality of the players.

                                      With this method the WC will have the best OSM players participating, although the higher rankings of the divisions will give more points, the difficulty of scoring in these rankings is higher than in the lower rankings, which raises the quality of the tournament.

                                      The qualification period for the tournament could be the same (6 months), or it could even be increased to a period of 9 months for even new groups that may have a period to move up in rankings to increase their chances of having representatives in the WC .

                                      However, the advantages of this method of guaranteeing the quality of the players participating in the WC, since it is impossible to manipulate the results, the advantage of making the app's battles have an extra meaning, the advantage that everyone can, if they want, be in the WC if they strive, the very development of the groups that will evolve for the better and most importantly maintain a tournament that is part of the culture and history of OSM.

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                                      @feelstrikex Sounds good, but not all players play crew battles, so It is unfair to those who do not play them..

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                                      • FeelStrikeXF FeelStrikeX

                                        Well, something that everyone liked and was part of the OSM culture was the WC that took place every year, the classification method being the old points ranking after the end of this ranking the tournament could not find a fair method to classify the players, since that the current medal system is greatly circumvented by players who are at the top of the rankings when entering leagues full of CPU, or leagues with accounts controlled by him to favor him or even entering leagues with very weak players where he has no difficulty in win the league.

                                        As it seems obvious the previous points system used will not return, so how can we classify players for the tournament, taking into account maintaining a certain kind of quality within the players that will participate?

                                        Well, my proposal for this problem that everyone wants to see solved because it's something that is part of OSM's own culture is to use the app's battles.

                                        How would it work, taking into account the quality detail. Well, if only the app battles wouldn't help to solve the problem, because many would create a new group and battle weaker Crews to get the most points.

                                        Problem that can be solved with the existing divisions of the groups, being given a different bonus taking into account the division where the Crews are.

                                        Something like that:

                                        OSM Division (+25001)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 3.5 bonus

                                        Legend Division (17501-25000)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 2.5 bonus

                                        World Star Division (10001-17500)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 1.75 bonus

                                        Champion Division (5001-10000)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 1.0 bonus

                                        Pro Division (2501-5000)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 0.5 bonus

                                        Semi-pro Division (1001-2500)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 0.25 bonus

                                        Amateur Division (0-1000)
                                        

                                        Final league score x 0.1 bonus

                                        This idea is not only aimed at maintaining a historic tournament, but it will also allow the groups themselves to give more importance to the app's battles, which will lead to greater development of the groups, improving the quality of the players.

                                        With this method the WC will have the best OSM players participating, although the higher rankings of the divisions will give more points, the difficulty of scoring in these rankings is higher than in the lower rankings, which raises the quality of the tournament.

                                        The qualification period for the tournament could be the same (6 months), or it could even be increased to a period of 9 months for even new groups that may have a period to move up in rankings to increase their chances of having representatives in the WC .

                                        However, the advantages of this method of guaranteeing the quality of the players participating in the WC, since it is impossible to manipulate the results, the advantage of making the app's battles have an extra meaning, the advantage that everyone can, if they want, be in the WC if they strive, the very development of the groups that will evolve for the better and most importantly maintain a tournament that is part of the culture and history of OSM.

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                                        @feelstrikex Congratulations for your work, your explanations and your idea.
                                        Of course, nothing is perfect, but at least it would be representative of the level of the participants. I like your idea, not perfect, but nice and logical.

                                        I will never understand how GB can accept that all of its highest representatives in the rankings are either cheaters or players who only play against computers and therefore do not bring money to GB...
                                        And no more one return from them on all this, or on the disappearance of the toilet for 2 years...

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                                        • timilic7T timilic7

                                          @feelstrikex Congratulations for your work, your explanations and your idea.
                                          Of course, nothing is perfect, but at least it would be representative of the level of the participants. I like your idea, not perfect, but nice and logical.

                                          I will never understand how GB can accept that all of its highest representatives in the rankings are either cheaters or players who only play against computers and therefore do not bring money to GB...
                                          And no more one return from them on all this, or on the disappearance of the toilet for 2 years...

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                                          @timilic7 What to expect for a game that has "Hall of Fame" in which there are mainly players who played for less than a full year and are long gone from the game... Hall of Fame is usually prestige and exclusive thing in all professions/sports.. but only on OSM it is a joke..

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