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    Restimat
    wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 11:59 last edited by Restimat
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    There are some interesting things being said here! Yes the ideal of this new medals system is awesome. About the implementation however, it seems dubious indeed. 4,5 months ago, they told us to wait a bit so that the ranking stabilizes. Let's see.

    Until now, I wonder why 4 slots are needed or is the ratio against other managers according to their level well enough calculated because that leads to this question:

    --> In order to be top ranked on osm, is it better to play individually 4 accounts against noobs ?
    Or to play high level leagues/crew competitions ?

    "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." Confucius
    "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." Mahatma Gandhi
    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." MLK

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    • R Restimat
      22 Jan 2021, 11:59

      There are some interesting things being said here! Yes the ideal of this new medals system is awesome. About the implementation however, it seems dubious indeed. 4,5 months ago, they told us to wait a bit so that the ranking stabilizes. Let's see.

      Until now, I wonder why 4 slots are needed or is the ratio against other managers according to their level well enough calculated because that leads to this question:

      --> In order to be top ranked on osm, is it better to play individually 4 accounts against noobs ?
      Or to play high level leagues/crew competitions ?

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      Majstor Matt
      wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 13:25 last edited by
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      @restimat

      Im with you completelly on this one. Idea on its own is great, but implementation is weak.

      And the answer to your question is obvious. Play simple noob leagues and use as much coins as possible to minimize the defeats as most as possible, because 1 defeat as lvl 9 manager is equal to 8 wins. Even more if we count league ending bonuses. πŸ˜•

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        Restimat
        wrote on 4 Feb 2021, 12:33 last edited by
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        I see no refutation of this statement until now...if so, feel free to state your conclusions as well!

        If not, it's such a pity that a game with millions of players bases its ranking upon playing against CPU's... πŸ˜… Weakening crew activity and competitions against other players on its way. Maybe a staff member could explain why it's the case or why it's not.

        "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." Confucius
        "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." Mahatma Gandhi
        "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." MLK

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        • R Restimat
          4 Feb 2021, 12:33

          I see no refutation of this statement until now...if so, feel free to state your conclusions as well!

          If not, it's such a pity that a game with millions of players bases its ranking upon playing against CPU's... πŸ˜… Weakening crew activity and competitions against other players on its way. Maybe a staff member could explain why it's the case or why it's not.

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          timilic7
          wrote on 21 Feb 2021, 19:05 last edited by
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          Always so interesting this ranking of medals.
          7 or 8 of the first 10 of the French medal ranking play on 4 closed accounts, alone against only computers to have 0 defeat .. It is terribly representative of the level of a player ... Super ...

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          • T timilic7
            21 Feb 2021, 19:05

            Always so interesting this ranking of medals.
            7 or 8 of the first 10 of the French medal ranking play on 4 closed accounts, alone against only computers to have 0 defeat .. It is terribly representative of the level of a player ... Super ...

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            Majstor Matt
            wrote on 21 Feb 2021, 19:46 last edited by
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            @timilic7
            Yup, sadly that is the only way to climb up in rankings in this "fair" system after you reach certain point in points.
            Win against lvl2 manager or lvl10 manager = practically same.
            Win against manager ranked 100k+ in MP ranking, or win against top 10 manager in world in MPs = same.
            Win against member of top crews or win against manager that joined game yesterday = same.

            It is sad indeed.

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              wrote on 21 Feb 2021, 19:53 last edited by JetonT.
              #31

              For me as a manager who likes to play official battles and leagues with full managers it feels impossible to reach level 10. One loss in battle min -1200 points and just +300 points for a win, doesn't matter level of the opponent.

              Just like @timilic7 said: the only way to reach level 10 is if you play 4 closed leagues with 0 managers on it. Nvm, we're just wasting our time here...

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              • J JetonT.
                21 Feb 2021, 19:53

                For me as a manager who likes to play official battles and leagues with full managers it feels impossible to reach level 10. One loss in battle min -1200 points and just +300 points for a win, doesn't matter level of the opponent.

                Just like @timilic7 said: the only way to reach level 10 is if you play 4 closed leagues with 0 managers on it. Nvm, we're just wasting our time here...

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                timilic7
                wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 14:03 last edited by
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                One of the very simple solutions: only one account taken into account for the ranking of medals, at least we can continue the battles or the big championships on the others.
                And only open championships are taken into account for the classification and not closed leagues ...

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                • M Majstor Matt
                  21 Feb 2021, 19:46

                  @timilic7
                  Yup, sadly that is the only way to climb up in rankings in this "fair" system after you reach certain point in points.
                  Win against lvl2 manager or lvl10 manager = practically same.
                  Win against manager ranked 100k+ in MP ranking, or win against top 10 manager in world in MPs = same.
                  Win against member of top crews or win against manager that joined game yesterday = same.

                  It is sad indeed.

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                  timilic7
                  wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 14:08 last edited by
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                  @majstor-matt
                  Very sad....
                  where is the pride of being well ranked playing only against the computer? Is this rewarding? The game does not lose all credibility with such players at the top of the rankings?
                  No interest...

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                    Majstor Matt
                    wrote on 10 Mar 2021, 14:25 last edited by Majstor Matt 3 Oct 2021, 14:29
                    #34

                    And here we have brilliant news from today... Manager Points are being removed completelly over the next few months on OSM.. A very sad day for OSM...

                    Looks like we will have to adjust to see medal based ranking system. RIP competitive play..welcome noob and empty leagues.

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                      10 Mar 2021, 14:25

                      And here we have brilliant news from today... Manager Points are being removed completelly over the next few months on OSM.. A very sad day for OSM...

                      Looks like we will have to adjust to see medal based ranking system. RIP competitive play..welcome noob and empty leagues.

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                      Restimat
                      wrote on 10 Mar 2021, 14:50 last edited by
                      #35

                      @majstor-matt The working system of the medals becomes then even more important, I still do no get it.

                      @SpecialOne what's the position on this below?

                      @restimat said in Medals rules and logic:

                      There are some interesting things being said here! Yes the ideal of this new medals system is awesome. About the implementation however, it seems dubious indeed. 4,5 months ago, they told us to wait a bit so that the ranking stabilizes. Let's see.

                      Until now, I wonder why 4 slots are needed or is the ratio against other managers according to their level well enough calculated because that leads to this question:

                      --> In order to be top ranked on osm, is it better to play individually 4 accounts against CPU's/weak players ?
                      Or to play high level leagues/crew competitions ?

                      What do the medals value more according to you/GB: CPU's/weak managers OR highly competitive managers?

                      "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." Confucius
                      "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." Mahatma Gandhi
                      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." MLK

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                        nicolas mangeard
                        wrote on 10 Mar 2021, 15:34 last edited by
                        #36

                        Yes, really a pity this elimination of the coaches points, especially for the coaches who gave so much effort during all these years, everything is swept away suddenly 😒😒😒

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                          Majstor Matt
                          wrote on 14 May 2021, 06:32 last edited by
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                          Question for those in charge if I may. Does anyone regurarly check "top managers" by new ranking? I see that "old cheaters" that were on top are banned and are not in the game anymore, but again we have the same problem... people in top 10 playing with fake accounts that are active only when they play against "main guy"...?

                          I must say once again, It is really sad that we got a ranking system that awards cheaters that make 100 fake accs and not some ranking that would give us regurarly active and competitive players a fighting chance...

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                            ManYac XX
                            wrote on 14 May 2021, 07:24 last edited by King_Jamiu_10
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                            He was not able to win anything in his first 6 seasons. Since medal system was introduced started to win like a pro.

                            He made 84.824 in one season? Amazing.

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                              14 May 2021, 06:32

                              Question for those in charge if I may. Does anyone regurarly check "top managers" by new ranking? I see that "old cheaters" that were on top are banned and are not in the game anymore, but again we have the same problem... people in top 10 playing with fake accounts that are active only when they play against "main guy"...?

                              I must say once again, It is really sad that we got a ranking system that awards cheaters that make 100 fake accs and not some ranking that would give us regurarly active and competitive players a fighting chance...

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                              Wenger Wise
                              wrote on 15 May 2021, 23:54 last edited by
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                              @majstor-matt apparently, this is not the main problem, but only its consequence
                              well, they will ban 10 people, even if 100
                              right now, a new pack of sly ones is on the way, which will replace them in a couple of weeks

                              Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills.

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                              • Wenger WiseW Wenger Wise
                                15 May 2021, 23:54

                                @majstor-matt apparently, this is not the main problem, but only its consequence
                                well, they will ban 10 people, even if 100
                                right now, a new pack of sly ones is on the way, which will replace them in a couple of weeks

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                                Majstor Matt
                                wrote on 17 May 2021, 06:47 last edited by
                                #40

                                @wenger-wise Yup, sad truth. This new systrem simply calls for that if you want to chase ranking. 😞

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                                  Wenger Wise
                                  wrote on 24 May 2021, 16:30 last edited by
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                                  @jorcla92 they strangled normal battles and didn't seem to feel anything
                                  and this is just ranking system

                                  Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills.

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