Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic
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As I sometimes play with an extremely bloated squad of 30 - 45 players (albeit value and quality lower than those managers playing with small squads) you would think that the new player positions et-up would greatly favour me. However, as many have already said before, this is just another example of GB
considering their financial advantages over the many millions of managers not in a position to buy a player from scout.
All managers should be advised of the implications of using 'out of position' players in their teams. A full accounting of the weighting used should be known to all managers - suggest a full table of the negative effects that all out of position players will have on a result against teams of higher or lower ranking and manager ranking be placed on the Forum. Even better you could send a mail shot to all players with a paper table they can use to set-up their teams.
My biggest gripe at the moment relates to the issuing of the daily medals following matches. In the last month my few match losses have cost me a deduction in my total medal count of around 1500 medals per match, yet having won up to 9-0 only generated 66 medals. I have finished 2 seasons and had 422,170 medals on 3rd February yet last night my total was 415,452 medals (gaining only 274 medals from 4/4 matches won yesterday. At this rate it will take another 25 days to get back to my earlier total, assuming I don't lose another match. As I usually play with relegation fodder (teams ranking 16 in leagues) I expect to lose many matches in earlier part of season when playing higher ranked teams (irrespective of the quality of the manager) or through timing (not in house to put in players that have been training prior to match) or being camped (with stupid percentage advantage given by spending Boss Coins) - and now lack of balanced squad through ill conceived positional set-up.
It is getting to the stage now that we need a Freebies/ small pocket league and a separate one for those that wish to buy their success. Currently we have a ridiculous situation where we have a list of 'Legends' where managers with the largest squad value are being hailed as heroes or legends, yet the only quality needed is being rich (or having a rich parent). GB to add a column to right hand side of the ranking of 'Legends' to indicate how much was spent to achieve such ranking - let us all see the extent of this nonsense. The title needs to be amended and only real legends of this game to be included such as historical top managers, those winning WC or crew battles etc.
The transfer list includes too many players that have to be bought at additional 5 Boss coins, usually strategically ranked/valued players (say €5-6m with next cheapest on transfer list being €16m), where many will not have any option other than to pay or go without and suffer a weakened team. -
As I sometimes play with an extremely bloated squad of 30 - 45 players (albeit value and quality lower than those managers playing with small squads) you would think that the new player positions et-up would greatly favour me. However, as many have already said before, this is just another example of GB
considering their financial advantages over the many millions of managers not in a position to buy a player from scout.
All managers should be advised of the implications of using 'out of position' players in their teams. A full accounting of the weighting used should be known to all managers - suggest a full table of the negative effects that all out of position players will have on a result against teams of higher or lower ranking and manager ranking be placed on the Forum. Even better you could send a mail shot to all players with a paper table they can use to set-up their teams.
My biggest gripe at the moment relates to the issuing of the daily medals following matches. In the last month my few match losses have cost me a deduction in my total medal count of around 1500 medals per match, yet having won up to 9-0 only generated 66 medals. I have finished 2 seasons and had 422,170 medals on 3rd February yet last night my total was 415,452 medals (gaining only 274 medals from 4/4 matches won yesterday. At this rate it will take another 25 days to get back to my earlier total, assuming I don't lose another match. As I usually play with relegation fodder (teams ranking 16 in leagues) I expect to lose many matches in earlier part of season when playing higher ranked teams (irrespective of the quality of the manager) or through timing (not in house to put in players that have been training prior to match) or being camped (with stupid percentage advantage given by spending Boss Coins) - and now lack of balanced squad through ill conceived positional set-up.
It is getting to the stage now that we need a Freebies/ small pocket league and a separate one for those that wish to buy their success. Currently we have a ridiculous situation where we have a list of 'Legends' where managers with the largest squad value are being hailed as heroes or legends, yet the only quality needed is being rich (or having a rich parent). GB to add a column to right hand side of the ranking of 'Legends' to indicate how much was spent to achieve such ranking - let us all see the extent of this nonsense. The title needs to be amended and only real legends of this game to be included such as historical top managers, those winning WC or crew battles etc.
The transfer list includes too many players that have to be bought at additional 5 Boss coins, usually strategically ranked/valued players (say €5-6m with next cheapest on transfer list being €16m), where many will not have any option other than to pay or go without and suffer a weakened team.@neil-warn what you said is really true. But remember, GB wants to earn money so they will obviously have strategies to earn money, unknowingly punishing those who do not use money to play the game.
In GB's eyes, I believe that they feel that those pay to win players are more well respected then those who consciously log in a few times every single day to check progress and place players into the lineup...Follow me and repute my post / comments / replies so that I can be able to post more and help more people in the community.
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@neil-warn what you said is really true. But remember, GB wants to earn money so they will obviously have strategies to earn money, unknowingly punishing those who do not use money to play the game.
In GB's eyes, I believe that they feel that those pay to win players are more well respected then those who consciously log in a few times every single day to check progress and place players into the lineup...@aweijie It's true, but the reality is that the non-paying managers find the difference with the paying managers too big. I have left this game before for this reason. And it's still too much pay-to-win.
Also the new player positions: some positions are rare on the transfer list, so the managers that buy players via the scout get a bigger advantage now. I hope GB changes the system, but (as usual) we have not received any reply on questions / suggestions except from SpecialOne on the implementation day.
I still have no clue if a 90 skill DC is better as a DR than a DR with 85 or equal to a DL with 89 skill.
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@aweijie It's true, but the reality is that the non-paying managers find the difference with the paying managers too big. I have left this game before for this reason. And it's still too much pay-to-win.
Also the new player positions: some positions are rare on the transfer list, so the managers that buy players via the scout get a bigger advantage now. I hope GB changes the system, but (as usual) we have not received any reply on questions / suggestions except from SpecialOne on the implementation day.
I still have no clue if a 90 skill DC is better as a DR than a DR with 85 or equal to a DL with 89 skill.
@koningco he is celebraiting 15k games
@SpecialOne parabéns
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Please make specific player position visible on the website as well. Is not a difficult thing to do...
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Please make specific player position visible on the website as well. Is not a difficult thing to do...
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New in OSM: Specific Positions! We heard your call about more possibilities to expand your tactical skills as a manager in surveys, social platforms and emails. Thanks for that! We especially loved the idea of more player positions.
From now on, players in OSM have a specific position instead of only defender, midfielder and forward. For example, Sergio Ramos is now a centre back.
In OSM, players perform best in their own specific position, but they can still play in other positions in the line. Beware: players still perform worse in a different line.
Use your Scout or the Transfer List to build your best team with the specific positions of the players.
@specialone Can you let us know if our feedback in this topic is discussed with GameBasics?
After a weekend with a lot of transfer opportunity I still have the opinion that this Player Position updates reduces my tactical options. I have to focus on 1 formation like 4-3-3 A because I need specific players like a DM and an extra DC for 3-4-3 B. If I have to play 4-2-3-1 then I also need to buy 2 side midfielders. Before this tactics I used at least 4 different formation per season, but now I have to focus on one formation because it's too expensive to have for example 2 side midfielders which are ineffective in 4-3-3 A.
Also I can't improve my team as much as before. Because I need very specific replacements when I sell a player, for example a Left Forward when I sell my left forward. The transferlist if very vulnerable, because most of the time there is only 1 Left Forward available that is good enough. If someone else buys that Left Forward than I don't have a good player on that position anymore. Before the changes I could buy a forward with 14 defense and use him as a left forward, but now this costs me points when my opponent has more players on their best position. So this Player Position update does not only reduce tactical choices when it comes to formations, it also limits my opportunities to trade and build my squad via the transfer list.
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@specialone Can you let us know if our feedback in this topic is discussed with GameBasics?
After a weekend with a lot of transfer opportunity I still have the opinion that this Player Position updates reduces my tactical options. I have to focus on 1 formation like 4-3-3 A because I need specific players like a DM and an extra DC for 3-4-3 B. If I have to play 4-2-3-1 then I also need to buy 2 side midfielders. Before this tactics I used at least 4 different formation per season, but now I have to focus on one formation because it's too expensive to have for example 2 side midfielders which are ineffective in 4-3-3 A.
Also I can't improve my team as much as before. Because I need very specific replacements when I sell a player, for example a Left Forward when I sell my left forward. The transferlist if very vulnerable, because most of the time there is only 1 Left Forward available that is good enough. If someone else buys that Left Forward than I don't have a good player on that position anymore. Before the changes I could buy a forward with 14 defense and use him as a left forward, but now this costs me points when my opponent has more players on their best position. So this Player Position update does not only reduce tactical choices when it comes to formations, it also limits my opportunities to trade and build my squad via the transfer list.
One more addition: it is more difficult to replace an injured or suspensed player now. Because of the lack of players on some positions it's not possible to replace for example Walker by a new DR because there is no DR on the transfer list. And placing a DC with 17 attack rate on DR now costs more points in the new system while is was a decent option in before the Specific Player Positions were introduced.
GB has to be aware that OSM is not like Fifa Manager where you can buy every player you want. Or they should change the scout price to 1 coin just like the transfer list.
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We should be informed about how exactly having players in their right place affect the teams
Yesterday I lost to a lesser team( by 6 ) with 3 players out of position ( my team all in positions) and Home ( my stadium is
️️) and he was parking the bus in 451 without Original LM/RM/CAM- I had more possession, shots and corners too
So actually I dont get it anymore
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?Is it like chemistry by nation ( having 6 players is enough) or what any other number ?!
- I had more possession, shots and corners too
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We should be informed about how exactly having players in their right place affect the teams
Yesterday I lost to a lesser team( by 6 ) with 3 players out of position ( my team all in positions) and Home ( my stadium is
️️) and he was parking the bus in 451 without Original LM/RM/CAM- I had more possession, shots and corners too
So actually I dont get it anymore
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?Is it like chemistry by nation ( having 6 players is enough) or what any other number ?!
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?
You're the manager. It's your 'job' to learn and understand which is the best way to achieve your goal.
It's your call if you want to buy enough players from same nationality to get the nationality bonus
It's your call if you want to have 2 or more specialists to line up when others can't be lined up
It's your call if you want to play with 'native' position players on every specific positionLike in real life, there are no 2 players that are simulated exactly the same. So if both teams play against each other with exact same line ups and settings, things won't happen exactly the same. Outcome may be the same, but goals won't happen at exact same minute, neither anything else.
You, as manager, will have to make your choices and see what works best in the long run. Take advantage of ALL bonus or just leave bonus aside and improve on quality of squad in a way that it will overcome the bonus provided by these features!
- I had more possession, shots and corners too
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Good morning to all.
@koningCo Some points that you mentioned really deserve to be improved by GB. Namely the lack of positions in the transfer list and the exaggerated cost of the scout.But, it seems to me that you are conditioning your game a lot due to this new update. Too much even.
I remember that if you don't play with specific players in the right positions, they will not play worse than what they played. They will play exactly the same as they did before this update. The difference is that players in the right position will receive a "little extra". This "little extra" must never undermine your strategy and way of playing. -
We should be informed about how exactly having players in their right place affect the teams
Yesterday I lost to a lesser team( by 6 ) with 3 players out of position ( my team all in positions) and Home ( my stadium is
️️) and he was parking the bus in 451 without Original LM/RM/CAM- I had more possession, shots and corners too
So actually I dont get it anymore
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?Is it like chemistry by nation ( having 6 players is enough) or what any other number ?!
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ it is clear to me.
You will have chemistry whenever you line up at least 6 players of the same nationality. And this bonus is the same whether lines 6, 7 or 11.
In relation to specific positions, the bonus is made individually. Player by player. Each player in the specific position gets a small performance bonus. The more you have, the better! - I had more possession, shots and corners too
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@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?
You're the manager. It's your 'job' to learn and understand which is the best way to achieve your goal.
It's your call if you want to buy enough players from same nationality to get the nationality bonus
It's your call if you want to have 2 or more specialists to line up when others can't be lined up
It's your call if you want to play with 'native' position players on every specific positionLike in real life, there are no 2 players that are simulated exactly the same. So if both teams play against each other with exact same line ups and settings, things won't happen exactly the same. Outcome may be the same, but goals won't happen at exact same minute, neither anything else.
You, as manager, will have to make your choices and see what works best in the long run. Take advantage of ALL bonus or just leave bonus aside and improve on quality of squad in a way that it will overcome the bonus provided by these features!
@specialone said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?
You're the manager. It's your 'job' to learn and understand which is the best way to achieve your goal.
It's your call if you want to buy enough players from same nationality to get the nationality bonus
It's your call if you want to have 2 or more specialists to line up when others can't be lined up
It's your call if you want to play with 'native' position players on every specific positionLike in real life, there are no 2 players that are simulated exactly the same. So if both teams play against each other with exact same line ups and settings, things won't happen exactly the same. Outcome may be the same, but goals won't happen at exact same minute, neither anything else.
You, as manager, will have to make your choices and see what works best in the long run. Take advantage of ALL bonus or just leave bonus aside and improve on quality of squad in a way that it will overcome the bonus provided by these features!
Ok I did all of that all and worked on every bonus possible ;
- had all players on the right position
- had a lineup with 6 players from Portugal and 4 from Italy and the subs also from both countries
- Had Ronaldo a captain and Bruno freekicks and corners
- had 2 stars playground home advantage
- had a better starting eleven in all positions ( not a single position he had a better player than mine
- also had form back to back wins
- had more possession, more shots, more corners in the game
And lost the game 2/1 with him scoring in the first shot in both halfs ( 1,46)
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@specialone said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
Should I limit my self to formation that suits the specific positions of my players ?! Or it doesn’t have that much effect?
You're the manager. It's your 'job' to learn and understand which is the best way to achieve your goal.
It's your call if you want to buy enough players from same nationality to get the nationality bonus
It's your call if you want to have 2 or more specialists to line up when others can't be lined up
It's your call if you want to play with 'native' position players on every specific positionLike in real life, there are no 2 players that are simulated exactly the same. So if both teams play against each other with exact same line ups and settings, things won't happen exactly the same. Outcome may be the same, but goals won't happen at exact same minute, neither anything else.
You, as manager, will have to make your choices and see what works best in the long run. Take advantage of ALL bonus or just leave bonus aside and improve on quality of squad in a way that it will overcome the bonus provided by these features!
Ok I did all of that all and worked on every bonus possible ;
- had all players on the right position
- had a lineup with 6 players from Portugal and 4 from Italy and the subs also from both countries
- Had Ronaldo a captain and Bruno freekicks and corners
- had 2 stars playground home advantage
- had a better starting eleven in all positions ( not a single position he had a better player than mine
- also had form back to back wins
- had more possession, more shots, more corners in the game
And lost the game 2/1 with him scoring in the first shot in both halfs ( 1,46)
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ I had an awesome squad (112 average) , unbeaten all season and lost a single match against a CPU team (3/4 rounds before end of season) with around 75 average. Lost 1-0
That's football, lucky, randomness whatever you want to name it. But if football/OSM engine was giving mathematic results I'm sure that no one would like it.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ I had an awesome squad (112 average) , unbeaten all season and lost a single match against a CPU team (3/4 rounds before end of season) with around 75 average. Lost 1-0
That's football, lucky, randomness whatever you want to name it. But if football/OSM engine was giving mathematic results I'm sure that no one would like it.
I just don’t know what else to do , when it happened for the first time , I didn’t have all positions covered so I said to myself it had to be that and now fixed it
I keep in mind every single detail possible yet I get some weird defeat against weak team while my rival for the title gets a way with an away win with just 5 shots and 40 possession vs 12 and 60
Then what else can I do
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I just don’t know what else to do , when it happened for the first time , I didn’t have all positions covered so I said to myself it had to be that and now fixed it
I keep in mind every single detail possible yet I get some weird defeat against weak team while my rival for the title gets a way with an away win with just 5 shots and 40 possession vs 12 and 60
Then what else can I do
I’m clueless@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ try to chage something in your tactic bars
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There were a couple of guys on my Crew League that managed to find some tactic/settings that gave them advantage over me and were beating me quite some times...
I'm not someone that changes a lot tactics. I play mostly 433B, not caring about my opponents tactics, mostly because I really don't have a lot of time to spend with playing the game actively as I use to ages ago.
But I decided to take some time to analyse my games and talking with my brother that also plays OSM, he told me that when he changed to 433A, he managed to get better results.
I decide to try it and also changed offside trap from No to Yes (and I'm testing also 433A passing game in another slot) » I believe I only draw a couple of matches since I changed from 433B to 433A
Sometimes just a small change like this one can make all the difference!
And No, tbh, I'm not paying a lot attention to specific positions. If I've two players with same stats I may put them on correct position, otherwise, I still set them on the same way I use to before specific positions have been implemented
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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There were a couple of guys on my Crew League that managed to find some tactic/settings that gave them advantage over me and were beating me quite some times...
I'm not someone that changes a lot tactics. I play mostly 433B, not caring about my opponents tactics, mostly because I really don't have a lot of time to spend with playing the game actively as I use to ages ago.
But I decided to take some time to analyse my games and talking with my brother that also plays OSM, he told me that when he changed to 433A, he managed to get better results.
I decide to try it and also changed offside trap from No to Yes (and I'm testing also 433A passing game in another slot) » I believe I only draw a couple of matches since I changed from 433B to 433A
Sometimes just a small change like this one can make all the difference!
And No, tbh, I'm not paying a lot attention to specific positions. If I've two players with same stats I may put them on correct position, otherwise, I still set them on the same way I use to before specific positions have been implemented
@márcio-girilim-santos
Did that and currently under testing for the upcoming 2 games- note that I got more possession and shots in all games even if I got a bad result
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@márcio-girilim-santos
Did that and currently under testing for the upcoming 2 games- note that I got more possession and shots in all games even if I got a bad result
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ Yeah, i know. But sometimes you dont need to have more possession and more shoots to win.
I will give you an example... Sometime ago i used to play with 451 to win 433. The way around i lose everytime. But, then... Having a discuss with some people, i found a way to make the 433 wins the 451. In 90% i used, i won it. But with less possession and less shoots than the oppenent that used the 451. So, you can create a good tactic to win an adversary having less possession and less shoots.
So, try to change somethings and maybe your results will be better.
