Winners Cup team matching system needs an improvement
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I have read in this forum that the system place you in a winners cup league with other clubs that have relatively similar squad values. However, few days ago i used my ticket and after one day of recruiting members, the league started, but surprisely the squad values are ranged from 285M - 5,552M. And the squads values is highly unbalanced.
Also mangers rating divisions are vary and too unmatched, ranging from semi-pro (4) to boss (9). And one manager is a legend (10).
I never mind if the recruiting members takes a weak, what important is that the system match us with relatively similar squads and managers
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@hooosam7733 fully agree with you. I already mentioned about that earlier but no reply from admin or OSM. I was playing few weeks ago and my team value was about 2,000M so I hope that it will be nice. When I join Champions Cup I saw that are players with 8,000M and they has single Player with value 2,000 (max rating 255). Offcourse I has no Chance to win that and I loose with that team. It need to be improve because it destroy fun from playing if you know that there is no chance to win... if you avarage rating is 120 and opponents 200 you cannot win even with the best tactic and training camp...
Regarding manager Level it will be more difficult and I think that Level 4 with medals and 10 can play together and it is not problem. -
@hooosam7733 fully agree with you. I already mentioned about that earlier but no reply from admin or OSM. I was playing few weeks ago and my team value was about 2,000M so I hope that it will be nice. When I join Champions Cup I saw that are players with 8,000M and they has single Player with value 2,000 (max rating 255). Offcourse I has no Chance to win that and I loose with that team. It need to be improve because it destroy fun from playing if you know that there is no chance to win... if you avarage rating is 120 and opponents 200 you cannot win even with the best tactic and training camp...
Regarding manager Level it will be more difficult and I think that Level 4 with medals and 10 can play together and it is not problem. -
@jasiuk88 but how can we let the game developers consider our issue
@hooosam7733 There are admin on forum ale he / they should read it and forward it to game developments...
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I'm pretty sure that not all leagues are like this one.
Winners cup tickets have a time window to bew used. When that time is reaching the end, teams are moved up on the queue and matched with the ones available.
When these differences are this big, it mostly means that there were not enough 'low value' teams to make a 'balanced' league.
One final note: Keep in mind that squad value may be low, but there could be a lot of club funds. We take into account club funds and squad value!
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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I'm pretty sure that not all leagues are like this one.
Winners cup tickets have a time window to bew used. When that time is reaching the end, teams are moved up on the queue and matched with the ones available.
When these differences are this big, it mostly means that there were not enough 'low value' teams to make a 'balanced' league.
One final note: Keep in mind that squad value may be low, but there could be a lot of club funds. We take into account club funds and squad value!
@SpecialOne i understand your point, and i really appreciate your working in developing an interesting game. Also it is great that club funds also takes an account when matching for more balance.
But i and many others like me will greatly appreciate if the time window will be extended a litter more in case no club with relatively similar values were signed.
It is frustrating that i kept building a balanced squad with players with every position including rare LM and RM for the sake of the winner cup, then i face this
I faced number 1 in the quarter-finals and number 2 in the semi-finals where my journey was finished there. Also l have a friend whom has 2 billion squad and was placed in WC league with someone has 19 billion squad.
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I'm pretty sure that not all leagues are like this one.
Winners cup tickets have a time window to bew used. When that time is reaching the end, teams are moved up on the queue and matched with the ones available.
When these differences are this big, it mostly means that there were not enough 'low value' teams to make a 'balanced' league.
One final note: Keep in mind that squad value may be low, but there could be a lot of club funds. We take into account club funds and squad value!
@SpecialOne On the Dutch servers it seems random, low value teams and high value teams are in the same leagues. And the screenshot posted by hooosam7733 shows the same on the World servers. Maybe teams that have 3 days left on their ticket are already moved up in the queue (while this is not needed) and not only teams that have 1 day left. But to me it seems that teams that subscribe to a Winners Cup around the same time are registered to the same Winners Cup. There was a time when teams were matched according to squad value but I think this doesn't happen anymore at all.
I don't think there are many managers that wait until the last day to use a Winners Cup ticket. We normally use it directly after our season ended.
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As I already stated on my previou post, the situation being discussed here is really rare and there's no easy solution for it.
I believe users don't want to wait one month to play winners cup.
I checked numbers from Winners cup created yesterday on World version and:
- There were 438 WC created
- 33% of the leagues created were below 0,1% deviation from average (squad + CFs + Savings value
- 19% of the leagues created were between 0,1% and 0.2% deviation from average (squad + CFs + Savings value
This means that more than 50% of the leagues created were pretty much balanced.
It's more than natural that if you end up with a really low value Team, the risk to end up in an unbalanced WC increases, because majority of OSM users play in TOP leagues and they end up with bilionaire Teams!
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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As I already stated on my previou post, the situation being discussed here is really rare and there's no easy solution for it.
I believe users don't want to wait one month to play winners cup.
I checked numbers from Winners cup created yesterday on World version and:
- There were 438 WC created
- 33% of the leagues created were below 0,1% deviation from average (squad + CFs + Savings value
- 19% of the leagues created were between 0,1% and 0.2% deviation from average (squad + CFs + Savings value
This means that more than 50% of the leagues created were pretty much balanced.
It's more than natural that if you end up with a really low value Team, the risk to end up in an unbalanced WC increases, because majority of OSM users play in TOP leagues and they end up with bilionaire Teams!
@SpecialOne Yeah, Id say that If you end up with team of 1B - 1.5B you are mostly fine. Problems come after you go above 2B, then there is a bigger risk of getting into guys who have 5+B worth of squads.. And probably less than 5% of managers boost their squads that much with coins so It is hard to make a balanced leagues for them. So I agree that the system we have right now is okay as it can be.
What I think requires more work on is transfer system. It is really hard to sell players rated over 105 and on transfer list there is no players bellow 100 after first couple days and we dont even have reselling option. WIth all that it is really hard to keep your team fresh and it is getting harder and harder to keep up with teams who are valued more. So some kind of transfer boost would really be welcome for WC leagues.
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