Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic
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@márcio-girilim-santos
Did that and currently under testing for the upcoming 2 games- note that I got more possession and shots in all games even if I got a bad result
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ Yeah, i know. But sometimes you dont need to have more possession and more shoots to win.
I will give you an example... Sometime ago i used to play with 451 to win 433. The way around i lose everytime. But, then... Having a discuss with some people, i found a way to make the 433 wins the 451. In 90% i used, i won it. But with less possession and less shoots than the oppenent that used the 451. So, you can create a good tactic to win an adversary having less possession and less shoots.
So, try to change somethings and maybe your results will be better.
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Good morning to all.
@koningCo Some points that you mentioned really deserve to be improved by GB. Namely the lack of positions in the transfer list and the exaggerated cost of the scout.But, it seems to me that you are conditioning your game a lot due to this new update. Too much even.
I remember that if you don't play with specific players in the right positions, they will not play worse than what they played. They will play exactly the same as they did before this update. The difference is that players in the right position will receive a "little extra". This "little extra" must never undermine your strategy and way of playing.@márcio-girilim-santos said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
Good morning to all.
@koningCo Some points that you mentioned really deserve to be improved by GB. Namely the lack of positions in the transfer list and the exaggerated cost of the scout.But, it seems to me that you are conditioning your game a lot due to this new update. Too much even.
I remember that if you don't play with specific players in the right positions, they will not play worse than what they played. They will play exactly the same as they did before this update. The difference is that players in the right position will receive a "little extra". This "little extra" must never undermine your strategy and way of playing.Yes, maybe I overestimated the impact. I still select formation first and than pick the players. Sometimes I have doubts about the new system, for example when I play 433B. This formation contains a defensive midfielder, but I have defensive midfielder Busquets (93) and attacking midfielder Havertz (97). I have to other midfielders for the MC positions (97 and 98). But who should I pick on the DM position? I didn't want to switch to 433A because I expected this formation wouldn't work against my opponent today. So my choice was Busquets or Havertz as defensive midfielder.
I even consider to sell Havertz and buy a MC trainee (if a young guy is available) because I don't use an AM in all my matches. 433B is my main tactic.
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Regarding the bonus for the correct position usage for players. Couldnt there be a lowered minimum (lets say 9/11 - pun not intended) for number of players needed to activate the bonus? Just as it is hard to collect all 11 players of same nationality, wits haviung in mind that those 11 are all top players for your line up, in the same way is to collect players for all 11 positions If you are changing formations often.
Also additional problem, which is a big one, and it is stated couple times already, It is very hard to collect players on certain positions because they are not available on the transfer list (RM, LM).
So please try to consider lowering the number of players on correct positions in order to activate the bonus. Even 10/11 would be great.
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Regarding the bonus for the correct position usage for players. Couldnt there be a lowered minimum (lets say 9/11 - pun not intended) for number of players needed to activate the bonus? Just as it is hard to collect all 11 players of same nationality, wits haviung in mind that those 11 are all top players for your line up, in the same way is to collect players for all 11 positions If you are changing formations often.
Also additional problem, which is a big one, and it is stated couple times already, It is very hard to collect players on certain positions because they are not available on the transfer list (RM, LM).
So please try to consider lowering the number of players on correct positions in order to activate the bonus. Even 10/11 would be great.
@majstor-matt Have you saw this already?
Specific positions is individual bonus.
Imagine that total bonus is 11points, for every player on correct position you'll get 1 point. So, if you have 5 players on correct positions you'll have 5 points bonus!"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@majstor-matt Have you saw this already?
Specific positions is individual bonus.
Imagine that total bonus is 11points, for every player on correct position you'll get 1 point. So, if you have 5 players on correct positions you'll have 5 points bonus!@specialone
I missed that. Interestng. Considering the problem with buying certain position players, this is good news
Cheers!
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@specialone
I missed that. Interestng. Considering the problem with buying certain position players, this is good news Cheers!@majstor-matt
Do you (or someone else) have any rough estimation about the impact on match results?For example:
50% player skills
30% formation & tactics vs opponent's formation & tactics
20% for specialists, nationality bonus and player position bonusses?
(training camp bonus not included)I try to get some idea about how to make decisions in situations like when I have a right wing back with 90def+25att skill but also a DC with 95def+17att skill that I don't need in the centre: who should a give the DR position? Since the new system was introducted last week I had to make several decisions like that but I can't make a good estimation about the impact of player positions but I would like to make some calculations (based on estimations).
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@SpecialOne Greetings, can you please indicate when the player positions will be added to the web version as well? I think this should be a high priority. Thanks.
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@SpecialOne Greetings, can you please indicate when the player positions will be added to the web version as well? I think this should be a high priority. Thanks.
@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@SpecialOne Greetings, can you please indicate when the player positions will be added to the web version as well? I think this should be a high priority. Thanks.
What do you mean?
Player positions are live on ALL platforms since they became available to all users!
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@SpecialOne Greetings, can you please indicate when the player positions will be added to the web version as well? I think this should be a high priority. Thanks.
What do you mean?
Player positions are live on ALL platforms since they became available to all users!
@specialone Greetings, I mean in the league overview section, such as this one: https://en.onlinesoccermanager.com/LeagueTypes/Team/8/9
I think it would really help if they are added here as well! It will give the managers a better idea where to look for specific players.
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@specialone Greetings, I mean in the league overview section, such as this one: https://en.onlinesoccermanager.com/LeagueTypes/Team/8/9
I think it would really help if they are added here as well! It will give the managers a better idea where to look for specific players.
@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl Also there already! Set live on this morning update!
If you still don't see them, just 'force' a cache update by pressing CTRL + F5 or Shift + F5 (depending on Browser)
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl Also there already! Set live on this morning update!
If you still don't see them, just 'force' a cache update by pressing CTRL + F5 or Shift + F5 (depending on Browser)
@specialone said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl Also there already! Set live on this morning update!
If you still don't see them, just 'force' a cache update by pressing CTRL + F5 or Shift + F5 (depending on Browser)
Thank you. That will helps us a lot!
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@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl Also there already! Set live on this morning update!
If you still don't see them, just 'force' a cache update by pressing CTRL + F5 or Shift + F5 (depending on Browser)
@specialone Awesome! Thanks
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@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl Also there already! Set live on this morning update!
If you still don't see them, just 'force' a cache update by pressing CTRL + F5 or Shift + F5 (depending on Browser)
@specialone Hi mate, small question. It appears I can see the player positions in Microsoft Edge, but not in Google Chrome. I have cleared my cache and everything but that still didn't change anything. Any idea what is causing this?
Thanks.
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@specialone Hi mate, small question. It appears I can see the player positions in Microsoft Edge, but not in Google Chrome. I have cleared my cache and everything but that still didn't change anything. Any idea what is causing this?
Thanks.
@the-best-manager-in-the-world_nl said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@specialone Hi mate, small question. It appears I can see the player positions in Microsoft Edge, but not in Google Chrome. I have cleared my cache and everything but that still didn't change anything. Any idea what is causing this?
Thanks.
@specialone said in Player positions don't show on windows, only on phone app..:
Some of the OSM features are 'limited' to a single browser.
This means that if you keep switching browsers, you risk to not have those features on any of them.
We're aware of this limitation and trying to solve it, but we've no estimated date for it.
Until then, our advise is that you should avoid as much as possible to log on web on different devices/browsers. Stick to same device and browser to have all features enabled!
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@emietti
But I also play on Google Chrome! I'm having no problems. -
Nice touch with the green around the player when he is in position on the formation screen. Any chance of doing something like this for nationality bonus?
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For managers who play 451 and 4231 its really hard to find RM and LM players in transferlist and there aren't too many players with this specific position especially if you're looking to get 80 - 85+ rating player. If you use scout you can choose only RM or LM and I would like something to change about this. Make the scout to search for both RM and LM in same time and maybe add more players with this specific positions.
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@isabellone I agree with this. After a few weeks I think detailed positions don't work for OSM. It's not possible to analyze the impact of placing a player on a different position in the same line. Also the Transfer List in OSM is very limited. It happened quite often that there was only 1 really better player on the transfer list. Now it may occur that that player is a Left Forward while I already have 2 players for this position. We need more players on the transfer list now there are more specific positions.
Also @JetonT. 's comment has been posted here before, I am wondering if still working on improvement or considering going back to the situation before the specific player positions were introduced. The MR and ML are indeed the worst positions to find a new player, but there are also times when there is not a single RF, LF, LB or RB available of decent level.
Last point is that the new system reduces tactical options. You have to choose between for example 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 B if you want to make a good team. You need 14 top level players if you want to be able to switch between these 2 formations. And when my RF is injured or tired then I have to use a less ideal player on that position. In OSM it's not possible to build a squad with a decent backup on every position (like I do on football manager).
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@isabellone I agree with this. After a few weeks I think detailed positions don't work for OSM. It's not possible to analyze the impact of placing a player on a different position in the same line. Also the Transfer List in OSM is very limited. It happened quite often that there was only 1 really better player on the transfer list. Now it may occur that that player is a Left Forward while I already have 2 players for this position. We need more players on the transfer list now there are more specific positions.
Also @JetonT. 's comment has been posted here before, I am wondering if still working on improvement or considering going back to the situation before the specific player positions were introduced. The MR and ML are indeed the worst positions to find a new player, but there are also times when there is not a single RF, LF, LB or RB available of decent level.
Last point is that the new system reduces tactical options. You have to choose between for example 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 B if you want to make a good team. You need 14 top level players if you want to be able to switch between these 2 formations. And when my RF is injured or tired then I have to use a less ideal player on that position. In OSM it's not possible to build a squad with a decent backup on every position (like I do on football manager).
@koningco said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@isabellone I agree with this. After a few weeks I think detailed positions don't work for OSM. It's not possible to analyze the impact of placing a player on a different position in the same line. Also the Transfer List in OSM is very limited. It happened quite often that there was only 1 really better player on the transfer list. Now it may occur that that player is a Left Forward while I already have 2 players for this position. We need more players on the transfer list now there are more specific positions.
Also @JetonT. 's comment has been posted here before, I am wondering if still working on improvement or considering going back to the situation before the specific player positions were introduced. The MR and ML are indeed the worst positions to find a new player, but there are also times when there is not a single RF, LF, LB or RB available of decent level.
Last point is that the new system reduces tactical options. You have to choose between for example 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 B if you want to make a good team. You need 14 top level players if you want to be able to switch between these 2 formations. And when my RF is injured or tired then I have to use a less ideal player on that position. In OSM it's not possible to build a squad with a decent backup on every position (like I do on football manager).
Same as a lot of formations. 523a and 523b the two midfielders don’t even move, yet they change from CDM and CM
for this to work well certain players need to play a few different positions just like in real life. Certain CM can play CAM and CDM for example. Some LF and RF should be able to play on both wings, LM/RM ect. (Not all of them, just ones that can in real life)I watch Leeds nearly every game. Dallas has played LB/RB and midfield etc. We have CBs that play in CDM etc. Just having one postion per player to swap formations and keep position bonus and keep is near impossible without having a team with 30+ squad players.
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@koningco said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@isabellone I agree with this. After a few weeks I think detailed positions don't work for OSM. It's not possible to analyze the impact of placing a player on a different position in the same line. Also the Transfer List in OSM is very limited. It happened quite often that there was only 1 really better player on the transfer list. Now it may occur that that player is a Left Forward while I already have 2 players for this position. We need more players on the transfer list now there are more specific positions.
Also @JetonT. 's comment has been posted here before, I am wondering if still working on improvement or considering going back to the situation before the specific player positions were introduced. The MR and ML are indeed the worst positions to find a new player, but there are also times when there is not a single RF, LF, LB or RB available of decent level.
Last point is that the new system reduces tactical options. You have to choose between for example 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 B if you want to make a good team. You need 14 top level players if you want to be able to switch between these 2 formations. And when my RF is injured or tired then I have to use a less ideal player on that position. In OSM it's not possible to build a squad with a decent backup on every position (like I do on football manager).
Same as a lot of formations. 523a and 523b the two midfielders don’t even move, yet they change from CDM and CM
for this to work well certain players need to play a few different positions just like in real life. Certain CM can play CAM and CDM for example. Some LF and RF should be able to play on both wings, LM/RM ect. (Not all of them, just ones that can in real life)I watch Leeds nearly every game. Dallas has played LB/RB and midfield etc. We have CBs that play in CDM etc. Just having one postion per player to swap formations and keep position bonus and keep is near impossible without having a team with 30+ squad players.
@jeffro-davies I agree. Leeds players are damn versatile.
Luke Ayling: RB, CB
Dallas: CAM, CB, LB, RB
Jamie Shackleton: LM, CAM, RB
Rodrigo: Anywhere along the frontlineSimply put, OSM needs utility players!
