OSM Events: How to improve? Discussion of current ones!
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@majstor-matt Mate,
Do remember that as much as we can post our opinions we are to respect forum rules and shouldn't make insulting posts. -
That's right, ban anyone who even tries to give some suggestion about competitions that would be fair for everyone. I dont see how I insulted anyone there. Clown is a funny person, persona who makes other laugh. I dont see how is that an insult or a bad thing.
But as I saId, I understand that due to marketing reasons you guys have to do things like this.
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I was thinking that 'putting the fist in your mouth' strategy are applying just inside romanian community, but seems that exceeds the borders.
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@casual1948 said in Promotions/Campaigns:
I was thinking that 'putting the fist in your mouth' strategy are applying just inside romanian community, but seems that exceeds the borders.
very true
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My (honest) question is: do you think 13k coins were enough to build that squad? That guy can simply be an entrepreneur
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@galipcaliskan1907 said in Promotions/Campaigns:
@thebestmanagernl Don't be sorry to write in a bold way. As long as we have respect and don't insult each other feel free to write your concerns. You may not think so right now, but we are listening and do appreciate the feedback we get.
These temporary events are also new for us, we are trying new things and continue to improve on the feedback managers like you give us. In that regard, I would like to thank you and @sergiu-il for letting us know what you think. I will be sure to pass it on.
For example; the rise in rewards (now 10x (!) more than the last event, and rewards for places 4-10) is one of the things we changed based on the feedback from the previous event.I also want to emphasise that these events are completely optional. Nobody is forced to compete or spend BossCoins. If you don't feel like you have a chance to win, which you are free to feel, don't compete. Just play OSM like you normally would, and if you're really that good, you can even join the top10 without actively competing.
But everything aside calling it a scam goes too far in my opinion. We are not out here looking for ways to scam our managers. The rules are clear and transparent, it's optional, you don't have to spend BossCoins to compete and the prize is nothing to joke about.
Again, thanks for the feedback on these events. We will continue to improve them based on your (and others) messages.
I would like to point you all to this post from my colleague.
Feel free to discuss and point the things you don't agree on the event. We're still starting and learning while doing it.
Discuss doesn't mean that you should be blind and assume things. It's impossible to build a squad to that point on a single day, no matter how much money you put on the game. Both leagues are already way ahead on the schedule (one on week 36 and the other on week 27), so this user was building up this squad for quite some time.
Also commenting something doesn't mean you're allowed to insult other users (doing that will make you join Majstor Matt on his holidays) and also trying to create riots on forums will take you on same way!
@Casual1948 and @Maryka7 if you guys are trying to do same thing you did recently on Romanian forums/community, this will lead you guys to a straight lock of the accounts! Just take your time to go out, chill down and think carefully before post again.
Take also some time to read forum rules and even OSM terms. Keep in mind that there's freedom of speach as long as you observe the rules of the space where you're speaking (writing). -
OSM need still improve their events. Its clear, there are a lot people that is a bit obfuscated by that. I some of them already write in this thread. Ur managers, ur people are talking OSM!
I remember events in the past. Referring only to awards, before was like derision to all users those awards. Osm improve that ranking and number of Boss Coins awarded., like said @GalipCaliskan1907 . But I think and have the sensation that a lot people here want a more FAIR, ENGAGING award system. For example why only 10?
♂️ U say that have millons and millons of users, and u only reward in a event to only TOP10? Think about urself (admin, moderators, OSM).CHanging that to Top 100 will be more reasonable, and more engaging event. Because u will be not have chances to get into top 10, but get in top100? Is a lot more probable.
Try to make a number of Boss Coins awarded reasonable.
Like said @Majstor-Matt why U dont make also events like that?
Dont even try to put some competitions like :
winning the most matches in certain period winning most Mp's scoring most goals conceeding least goalsWHy NOT? I never see a event like that.
Thats all. Listen to people OSM, not fool us like kids : )
Its not the first riot concerning to events, if OSM dont fix, improve this will happen again.♂️♂️ -
@edgaream said in Promotions/Campaigns:
Like said @Majstor-Matt why U dont make also events like that?
Dont even try to put some competitions like :
winning the most matches in certain period winning most Mp's scoring most goals conceeding least goalsWHy NOT? I never see a event like that.
Thats all. Listen to people OSM, not fool us like kids : )
Its not the first riot concerning to events, if OSM dont fix, improve this will happen again.♂️♂️This won't happen because someone can actually win events like most goals scored just by being good without using thousands of BCs
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Let me just give you some notes for you guys to think and maybe you guys can come up with a really good idea for us to make FAIR events.
At least I think that's what we all aim for. Events to reward those that help OSM to grow, correct?
Top 100 » Do you know how many users cheat their way up to win events or any other thing? How easy you think that the job to catch cheaters is?
All the other options you provided for events » I could use exactly same argument, but I'll use a different one. Get more MPs on a league? That depends only on the manager? And what about score most goals? It depends only on a manager?
So how fair it is for managers if your result on the event depends on type of managers you get on your league?If you guys have a good and Fair idea for an event, please share it with us. If not... well, if you don't like the ones we've, you're not forced to take part on the events. It's up to you to decide if you join it or not!
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@specialone said in Promotions/Campaigns:
Also commenting something doesn't mean you're allowed to insult other users (doing that will make you join Majstor Matt on his holidays) and also trying to create riots on forums will take you on same way!
I didn't see @Majstor-Matt's comment, so I assume he's gone too far and I respect the suspension.
Now, one thing I know for sure is that he contributes consistently with good suggestions and reflections on various topics related to the game. I remember seeing him doing it back in 2013.
Whoever the user is, he should be punished in the same way if the limits are not respected. I totally agree with that. What I disagree with is the kind of speech that sometimes is used towards regular users. A suspension is not a 'holiday' for anyone! Instead of saying 'doing that will make you join Matt Majstor on his holidays', a 'doing that will make you be suspended as well' would be more respectful, in my opinion.
Often, support teams complain that many forum users participate on the basis of criticism. That is true and I imagine it is not always easy to manage. The problem is, very often as well, negativism and criticism are present in the interventions of support teams themselves.That doesn't help!
At the end of the day, support teams work on behalf of customers. Customers are the users of this game! So, please, bear that in mind whenever you intervene. Without users, there is no OSM. Without OSM, support teams are not required.
Honestly, I think we can reflect about this and improve on both sides. Cheers!
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@specialone REally?
I dont know how many user cheat in events.
I dont how easy is the job of catch cheaters.@specialone said in Promotions/Campaigns:
All the other options you provided for events » I could use exactly same argument, but I'll use a different one. Get more MPs on a league? That depends only on the manager? And what about score most goals? It depends only on a manager?
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What? I understand u now. Are u saying like managers dont purchase a lot Boss Coin (OSM win less) so, there is not point to make all of suggested events? like most goals? more MP? :l Really? ofc that OSM will win much less, but for getting a good place in that events u neeed building a squad quickly u need scouter, train fast, friendlies, in all of those situation managers spend BC, OSM WIN.
@specialone said in Promotions/Campaigns:
So how fair it is for managers if your result on the event depends on type of managers you get on your league?
Im surprised. DO u want that managers solve ur problems (admin, osm). Well, I will do that. EASY. U will make some kind of factor, that consider things like
at least 70% managers/teams active in that league
add factor difficult (see this https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837113-golden-shoe-2018-19-top-goalscorers-in-europe-latest-standings-on-may-20) that is a example for something like goalsOfc It will be not MOst goals, insted it should be TOP GOALSCORER MANAGER
That factor will be for elmost everything, MP, goals, conceding, unbeatable, always win. (One funny called Manchester Manager , the team with consecutive draws
)That factor will be decided by a comparison of managers points, more managers points in the average of the league, more HIGHER the FACTOR.With that u also ensure less probability of cheaters. U will think that this only benefit to TOP RANKED managers and that is right. But u can adjust that factor for give more opportunities to people that arent in top rankings.
Summary,
Active leagues with at least 70% of team occupied and manager active.
Factor difficult (see the link)And we can enjoy and love to OSM : )
wait, Something else
About cheaters, we can report them the traditional ways without problem, email or though the game
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better example of factor criteria is this link
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Some good events would be something for the older users that play in old battles or competitions which pump 1000s of BCs into GB every month, managers that’s played the OSM for years. The organisers don’t get no recognition from game basics and I would imagine they pump the most BCs to GB? I think organisers should get some sort of BCs for the time organising good competitions also.
Concentrate on leagues that is capped on speeding training up, scouts, stadium and also buying players with BCs compensation. So it’s a competition that is more fair to all uses and some skill is needed to win. Having some people do whatever they like and using as much BCs as they like is not fair at all and obviously the person that pays more BCs is going to win the competition easily
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@specialone said in Promotions/Campaigns:
If you guys have a good and Fair idea for an event, please share it with us. If not... well, if you don't like the ones we've, you're not forced to take part on the events. It's up to you to decide if you join it or not!
Why not give this type of prizes for example to the best builder in the last 64 stage of the WCC? If you want to make a event about 'teambuilding' ofcourse.
Otherwise a prize for the WCC winners (or another event were everyone can participate) wouldn't be bad if your goal is to reach "Only the best managers..." with your events. I think we can all agree this event has nothing to do with the 'best manager' as you mentioned in the first sentence for this event
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All these events are about how to spend coins. Ofc I understand...it's business. At the end of the day you have to pay your own bills, you can't work for free.
About the last event? If the guys wanna spend 100.000 coins to earn 13.000 it's ok. I don't care. Everyone can spend his own money wherever he wants, it's his legal right.But there must be the other part of the medal. There must be some way to win coins.
At the moment there are no rewards in OSM. Even not in NewStyleBattles as ''official'', which is ridiculous...but NSB's are boring anyway...Although I'm more on the side of regular managers, I can understand the guys representing GB's when they say they can't award 100 people because a lot of cheaters. Ok. Think some suggestions like ''winning most MP's'', ''scoring most goals'', ''league without losing a match'' are bad too. Even there mostly cheaters would win and it has nothing to do with ''skills''. They can put own multi-accounts in league's and that's it.
In my opinion (or better to say it's fact) the main problem of OSM is LACK OF serious COMPETITONS which could be awarded. Both, individual and crew competitions. Or better to say, there are few unofficial competitions but gents from GB's don't care about them.
Game without competition is boring.Here is my suggestion: (I ask all of you admins to read it carefully and think about it in a serious manner.)
The best is to create a team of ''Event managers'' where would be regular managers just like me and all other, who could organize a good tournament.
Open a e-mail only for that purpose.
Each manager who has some experience and thinks he can organize a interesting tournament has to send his idea to you. To make it more serious he has to send his bio, not only from OSM but also from real life, to explain why he think GB's should allow him to runn this tournament etc. Also, ofc he has to send all possible details about the tournament, from the registration period till the very end (who can participate, will it be individual tournament, tournament with teams of 2 or 4 managers, classic battles 5v5, is it league system or knock-out system, amount of boss coins for rewards etc.)
After serious consideration, you choose 6-7 best projects and allow the managers to runn them moving these tournaments to another level. Ofc all these tournaments would be under your control. If you notice the smallest irregularity you will shut down the tournament. After each season of the tournament organizer sends you screenshots and detailed explanation of the current situation, which managers should be awarded etc. you send the coins, and everyone is happy. For you boss coins are just a virtual currency, but all this could make the game much more interesting. More competitive, but also fair. Also, in these tournaments managers would spend 1000's of coins, so it would be a win/win situation in my opinion.
Please think about that.
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I forgot say something else, so quick.
For avoid some cheaters , the event will be SURPRISE, the kind event and the date ofc
With that u avoid some manager preparing leagues or teams for cheat. And managers can report as always through e mail or in game, if they think that someone is cheating
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@menagerbl said in Promotions/Campaigns:
All these events are about how to spend coins. Ofc I understand...it's business. At the end of the day you have to pay your own bills, you can't work for free.
About the last event? If the guys wanna spend 100.000 coins to earn 13.000 it's ok. I don't care. Everyone can spend his own money wherever he wants, it's his legal right.But there must be the other part of the medal. There must be some way to win coins.
At the moment there are no rewards in OSM. Even not in NewStyleBattles as ''official'', which is ridiculous...but NSB's are boring anyway...Although I'm more on the side of regular managers, I can understand the guys representing GB's when they say they can't award 100 people because a lot of cheaters. Ok. Think some suggestions like ''winning most MP's'', ''scoring most goals'', ''league without losing a match'' are bad too. Even there mostly cheaters would win and it has nothing to do with ''skills''. They can put own multi-accounts in league's and that's it.
In my opinion (or better to say it's fact) the main problem of OSM is LACK OF serious COMPETITONS which could be awarded. Both, individual and crew competitions. Or better to say, there are few unofficial competitions but gents from GB's don't care about them.
Game without competition is boring.Here is my suggestion: (I ask all of you admins to read it carefully and think about it in a serious manner.)
The best is to create a team of ''Event managers'' where would be regular managers just like me and all other, who could organize a good tournament.
Open a e-mail only for that purpose.
Each manager who has some experience and thinks he can organize a interesting tournament has to send his idea to you. To make it more serious he has to send his bio, not only from OSM but also from real life, to explain why he think GB's should allow him to runn this tournament etc. Also, ofc he has to send all possible details about the tournament, from the registration period till the very end (who can participate, will it be individual tournament, tournament with teams of 2 or 4 managers, classic battles 5v5, is it league system or knock-out system, amount of boss coins for rewards etc.)
After serious consideration, you choose 6-7 best projects and allow the managers to runn them moving these tournaments to another level. Ofc all these tournaments would be under your control. If you notice the smallest irregularity you will shut down the tournament. After each season of the tournament organizer sends you screenshots and detailed explanation of the current situation, which managers should be awarded etc. you send the coins, and everyone is happy. For you boss coins are just a virtual currency, but all this could make the game much more interesting. More competitive, but also fair. Also, in these tournaments managers would spend 1000's of coins, so it would be a win/win situation in my opinion.
Please think about that.
Regards.Already plenty of well run competitions by normal managers that get no BCs whatsoever Nenad. WCC, WNT, Epic, Eagles, crew cup etc Not in GBs best interest to put BCs prizes in these competitions unfortunately. People play them anyway so can’t see them doing it. I’d like to see some good individual competitions, very rare or I don’t know where to look
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First of all thank you (and others) for coming up with these suggestions. It's constructive criticism like this that can help us constantly improve OSM.
Your messages are clear. We will take these with us, learn from them and improve in the future.I want to continue this conversation, but to not further 'pollute' the Promotions topic we moved the conversation here where we can continue and help eachother find nice new ideas for events.
@menagerbl said in Promotions/Campaigns:
All these events are about how to spend coins. Ofc I understand...it's business. At the end of the day you have to pay your own bills, you can't work for free.
About the last event? If the guys wanna spend 100.000 coins to earn 13.000 it's ok. I don't care. Everyone can spend his own money wherever he wants, it's his legal right.But there must be the other part of the medal. There must be some way to win coins.
At the moment there are no rewards in OSM. Even not in NewStyleBattles as ''official'', which is ridiculous...but NSB's are boring anyway...Although I'm more on the side of regular managers, I can understand the guys representing GB's when they say they can't award 100 people because a lot of cheaters. Ok. Think some suggestions like ''winning most MP's'', ''scoring most goals'', ''league without losing a match'' are bad too. Even there mostly cheaters would win and it has nothing to do with ''skills''. They can put own multi-accounts in league's and that's it.
In my opinion (or better to say it's fact) the main problem of OSM is LACK OF serious COMPETITONS which could be awarded. Both, individual and crew competitions. Or better to say, there are few unofficial competitions but gents from GB's don't care about them.
Game without competition is boring.Here is my suggestion: (I ask all of you admins to read it carefully and think about it in a serious manner.)
The best is to create a team of ''Event managers'' where would be regular managers just like me and all other, who could organize a good tournament.
Open a e-mail only for that purpose.
Each manager who has some experience and thinks he can organize a interesting tournament has to send his idea to you. To make it more serious he has to send his bio, not only from OSM but also from real life, to explain why he think GB's should allow him to runn this tournament etc. Also, ofc he has to send all possible details about the tournament, from the registration period till the very end (who can participate, will it be individual tournament, tournament with teams of 2 or 4 managers, classic battles 5v5, is it league system or knock-out system, amount of boss coins for rewards etc.)
After serious consideration, you choose 6-7 best projects and allow the managers to runn them moving these tournaments to another level. Ofc all these tournaments would be under your control. If you notice the smallest irregularity you will shut down the tournament. After each season of the tournament organizer sends you screenshots and detailed explanation of the current situation, which managers should be awarded etc. you send the coins, and everyone is happy. For you boss coins are just a virtual currency, but all this could make the game much more interesting. More competitive, but also fair. Also, in these tournaments managers would spend 1000's of coins, so it would be a win/win situation in my opinion.
Please think about that.
Regards.I agree with you regarding the lack of serious competitions. We don't have seasonal competition like FIFA's Weekend League/FUT, Brawl Stars'/Clash Royale's seasons or Rocket League's seasons. I think these short-term, resetting, global competitions would add a whole new layer to the meta of OSM. But that's a whole different discussion for another time
I think your idea is a great start. It's basically what we are doing now already with the OSM WC and several other 'local' events organized by different support teams (ID, RU, TR, ES, etc.) but with more 'regulation' and extra challenges.
The problems I think we'll have is keeping it managable, organisation-wise and preventing-cheaters-wise. This requires a lot of man/woman-power, which we don't have a lot of. Remember that if we offer these kind of events it's not at the scale of the OSM WC, but much, much larger.Events with crews are a much more complex situation because we can't support something that goes against our own OSM Terms. We 'allow' them to run, but if one of the managers involved decides to report, pretty much everyone will be locked for collusion. So until we find a good solution for crew events, we won't have any official Crew events. Feel free to post ideas if you think you have a solution. That's the whole point of this topic. Find a solution together that we can all enjoy.
Tip: As you know we're focussing hard on bringing Champions Cup to OSM atm. Maybe we can have events related to that feature?
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@galipcaliskan1907 As manager above mentioned about lack of competitions for crews, I'd like to continue this subject. As we know all crew tournaments are organized by common managers and have a status of non official. To be honest, it's some strange situation for this game. As crews are the important part of OSM, so lack of competitions in this area is a big insufficiency in my opinion.
I understand, that organizing such tournaments demand more human resources and time. But there is also a solution for this. As the MenagerBL said above, you can hire among those managers, who is already involved in competitions and has experience in this field. The main difference will be in status of such competitions. If Gamebasic will support these events, they will be official tournaments.
And also thank you for listening and discussing with us these suggestions.
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@GalipCaliskan1907
''Events with crews are a much more complex situation because we can't support something that goes against our own OSM Terms. We 'allow' them to run, but if one of the managers involved decides to report, pretty much everyone will be locked for collusion.''In NewStyleBattles we go against the OSM Terms too. Irregular transfers everywhere. With this logic everyone who plays new battles should be locked. Don't see a problem there.
