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  • BVBPeregrinus_NLB BVBPeregrinus_NL

    And what about the 'Top-100' Achievement (and its 7500 BossCoins reward)?
    Once the ManagerPoints will be omitted, will this Achievement also cease to exist?

    If this is the case, this isn't fair, because some Managers have been rewarded those 7500 BC and others will never be able to.

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    @bvbperegrinus_nl
    Why wouldnt there be a chance? Ranking will still be there and you will still be able to get into top-100. Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only πŸ˜„

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    • Majstor MattM Majstor Matt

      @bvbperegrinus_nl
      Why wouldnt there be a chance? Ranking will still be there and you will still be able to get into top-100. Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only πŸ˜„

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      #122

      @majstor-matt no versus bot in lock champ. It s more easy again.. And less expansive.. No transfert, no training camp, no friendly game... Top medals classement and no coins...

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      • HBlauzahnH HBlauzahn

        @ado-hackovic
        Then take a look at this league of him. Active managers, almost no transfers. Why don't they check that?

        https://de.onlinesoccermanager.com/League/Standings/101295071#standings-list

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        #123

        @hblauzahn said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

        @ado-hackovic
        Then take a look at this league of him. Active managers, almost no transfers. Why don't they check that?

        https://de.onlinesoccermanager.com/League/Standings/101295071#standings-list

        Because no time to check...need to check first classic battles...fair play....terms of OSM....

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        • Majstor MattM Majstor Matt

          @bvbperegrinus_nl
          Why wouldnt there be a chance? Ranking will still be there and you will still be able to get into top-100. Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only πŸ˜„

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          Vincent Ado Kompany
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          @majstor-matt said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

          Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only

          ... "sleep" on OSM and play with 4 slots

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          • Vincent Ado KompanyV Vincent Ado Kompany

            @majstor-matt said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

            Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only

            ... "sleep" on OSM and play with 4 slots

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            Rafelmaz
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            #125

            Not a single positive comment. I would like to read someone who says...Old system is shit...new system is better. Just to understand why...

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            • MΓ‘rcio Girilim SantosM Offline
              MΓ‘rcio Girilim SantosM Offline
              MΓ‘rcio Girilim Santos
              Portuguese Users
              wrote on last edited by
              #126

              Good morning to all.

              I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

              I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

              The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
              If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
              ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
              ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
              ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
              ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

              πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

              Shame...

              If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

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              • MΓ‘rcio Girilim SantosM MΓ‘rcio Girilim Santos

                Good morning to all.

                I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

                I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

                The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
                If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
                ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
                ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
                ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
                ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

                πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

                Shame...

                If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

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                wrote on last edited by
                #127

                @mΓ‘rcio-girilim-santos

                It's a shame. A real injustice against all of us that puts time and efforts to improve legally during these years.

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                • MΓ‘rcio Girilim SantosM MΓ‘rcio Girilim Santos

                  Good morning to all.

                  I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

                  I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

                  The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
                  If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
                  ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
                  ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
                  ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
                  ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

                  πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

                  Shame...

                  If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #128

                  @mΓ‘rcio-girilim-santos your text is perfect...

                  I would like to hear the opinion of the staffs of the different countries. They are also players

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                  • MΓ‘rcio Girilim SantosM MΓ‘rcio Girilim Santos

                    Good morning to all.

                    I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

                    I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

                    The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
                    If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
                    ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
                    ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
                    ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
                    ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

                    πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

                    Shame...

                    If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

                    Vincent Ado KompanyV Offline
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                    Vincent Ado Kompany
                    wrote on last edited by Vincent Ado Kompany
                    #129

                    @mΓ‘rcio-girilim-santos said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

                    Good morning to all.

                    I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

                    I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

                    The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
                    If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
                    ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
                    ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
                    ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
                    ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

                    πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

                    Shame...

                    If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

                    "Managers" in his leagues:

                    Screenshot_20210311-132639_Chrome.jpg
                    Screenshot_20210311-132717_Chrome.jpg
                    Screenshot_20210311-132802_Chrome.jpg
                    Screenshot_20210311-132824_Chrome.jpg

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                    Nagelsmann on fire πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
                    Tari Gamad πŸ”žπŸ“ŒπŸ’¦

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                    • Vincent Ado KompanyV Vincent Ado Kompany

                      @mΓ‘rcio-girilim-santos said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

                      Good morning to all.

                      I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

                      I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

                      The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
                      If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
                      ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
                      ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
                      ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
                      ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

                      πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

                      Shame...

                      If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

                      "Managers" in his leagues:

                      Screenshot_20210311-132639_Chrome.jpg
                      Screenshot_20210311-132717_Chrome.jpg
                      Screenshot_20210311-132802_Chrome.jpg
                      Screenshot_20210311-132824_Chrome.jpg

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                      Majstor Matt
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                      #130

                      @ado-hackovic
                      If you check some other leagues from people in top 10 situation is the same. 4 leagues with completelly same opponents and most of them are active just when needed. Looks like we simply do not know the right way to play this game, these guys have cracked it and I guess we should learn form them. They are "the best" after all πŸ˜‰

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                      • GuilhermeOliveira12G Offline
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                        GuilhermeOliveira12
                        Portuguese Users
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #131

                        Very disappointing. I've been playing leagues for a long time to score and climb the ranking to simply throw our management points in the trash. Some work hard to earn those points. I'm almost reaching the Global Top 100 and would win the achievement of 7500 coins. This is a joke.

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                        • Majstor MattM Offline
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                          #132

                          Never realized we have handball servers as well on OSM πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„

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                          • Vincent Ado KompanyV Offline
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                            Vincent Ado Kompany
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                            #133

                            I believe that many accounts will be banned

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                            • GuilhermeOliveira12G GuilhermeOliveira12

                              Very disappointing. I've been playing leagues for a long time to score and climb the ranking to simply throw our management points in the trash. Some work hard to earn those points. I'm almost reaching the Global Top 100 and would win the achievement of 7500 coins. This is a joke.

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                              rubber84
                              Italian Users
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                              #134

                              Buongiorno,anche io vorrei dire la mia al riguardo,questa decisione di togliere i punti manager mi sembra sbagliata.Questi sondaggi di cui parli,non li ho visti da nessuna parte quindi presumo che non siano veri.Prima di fare una scelta del genere mi sembra opportuno ascoltare prima l'opinione della community e decidere tutti insieme, perchΓ© credo che a nessuno piaccia questa idea.
                              Manager che giocano da anni vedranno il susseguirsi dell'eliminazione dei punti dopo lo sforzo per raggiungere l'alta classifica quindi mi sembra assurdo.
                              Per non parlare di questa classificazione delle medaglie che la trovo al quanto imbarazzante,ci sono manager che giocano da pochi mesi e si ritrovano alti in classifica ma presumo che non siano fenomeni,forse sarebbe meglio sistemare prima questo problema.
                              Spero che dopo tutte queste lamentele di tutti noi possiate tornare sui vostri passi.

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                              • SpecialOneS Offline
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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #135

                                Looking at the majority of the posts we see in here, all should be fine if we lock the cheaters, is that it?

                                There will never be a perfect system that please all users. There were several reasons for us to look for a different ranking system (gameplay and technical reasons).

                                This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

                                As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

                                Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

                                So... my suggestion is:

                                • Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

                                NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

                                "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill

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                                • SpecialOneS SpecialOne

                                  Looking at the majority of the posts we see in here, all should be fine if we lock the cheaters, is that it?

                                  There will never be a perfect system that please all users. There were several reasons for us to look for a different ranking system (gameplay and technical reasons).

                                  This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

                                  As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

                                  Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

                                  So... my suggestion is:

                                  • Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

                                  NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

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                                  edin_9705
                                  Spanish Users
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                                  @specialone So if it is okay to threaten to ban us for playing classic battles because it was against osm rules, but they do not ban those who cheat to rise in the ranking, if you as administrators do not take the corresponding measures you are being complicit in these practices.

                                  Capitan de lOS RENACIDOS

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                                  • AlyssaGBA AlyssaGB

                                    Manager Points replaced by Manager Medals πŸ…

                                    A while ago we added Divisions to OSM. Data and various surveys that we have conducted in the past months show that Divisions is a success and is well used by our managers.

                                    Divisions is a worthy replacement for the Manager Points system. Therefore, we're going to phasing out Manager Points in the coming months. After that, Manager Points will no longer be visible in OSM.

                                    Good luck playing and competing for the highest Division!

                                    More info

                                    AI_ManagerMedals.jpg

                                    You can join discussion here

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                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    @alyssagb

                                    Hello everybody. I have been playing OSM for a few years and I cannot understand how they can simply remove the ranking of management points that has been present in the game for many years. Several coaches have been struggling for years to stay in the top 100 in the world, and thousands more to make it to this great honor.

                                    An important point to highlight is: When were these surveys carried out? I believe that the vast majority of coaches were taken by surprise with this novelty and mainly do not agree with the decision since in the "new ranking", players who play for a few months are able to be in better positions than players with years of focus and commitment. Of course, the OSM must find ways to attract and entertain new users of the game, but as soon as such an important ranking is removed from the game, several coaches will discourage and even give up on the game. I ask the staffs and the entire organization of the game to review their position and understand that retaining their coaches is as important as attracting new coaches.

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                                    Jogador do OSM Next Generation

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                                    • SpecialOneS SpecialOne

                                      Looking at the majority of the posts we see in here, all should be fine if we lock the cheaters, is that it?

                                      There will never be a perfect system that please all users. There were several reasons for us to look for a different ranking system (gameplay and technical reasons).

                                      This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

                                      As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

                                      Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

                                      So... my suggestion is:

                                      • Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

                                      NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

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                                      #138

                                      @specialone said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

                                      This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

                                      Is this a joke ? πŸ˜… No offense at all, but please find below some proofs, suggestions, topics that have been created in order to understand, suggest, correct things looking strange about medals. Even though you told us to wait some time before judging the medals ranking system; let me quote you on September 29th, 2020 after many critics on this same topic:
                                      "Just give it some time and you'll find out that medals will be more balanced and according to the manager level/skills."

                                      • This exact topic received many complaints and suggestions, just look back.
                                      • https://forum.onlinesoccermanager.com/topic/59539/medals-rules-and-logic/37
                                        This second topic was created, we raised some serious stakes after months of deep thought but did not get any answers.
                                      • Random legit suggestions somewhere else: https://forum.onlinesoccermanager.com/topic/3310/osm-game-features-chatroom-suggestions/1064?page=54 (Hank Strama in November or Vinayak in September)

                                      Personally, I've seen many suggestions on the forums such as reducing 4 counting accounts to 1 or enhancing the calculation system which does not really take the manager division into account whether he's Division 1 or 10, it's mainly about wins/losses.

                                      This is nothing new πŸ™‚

                                      As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

                                      Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

                                      So... my suggestion is:

                                      • Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

                                      NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

                                      Secondly, cheaters are NOT the underlying problem. The problem is the --> uncompetitiveness.
                                      This medals system seems to encourage playing against weak managers or even CPU's.
                                      It's such a pity that a game with millions of players brings value and bases its ranking upon playing against CPU's... πŸ˜… Weakening crew activity and competitions against other players on its way. Maybe you could explain why it's the case or why it's not.
                                      I'm genuinely curious to understand if we are wrong, deeper explanations are heartily welcomed πŸ™‚

                                      ➑ Yes the ideal of this new medals system is awesome. About the implementation however, it seems dubious indeed. 6 months ago, you told us to wait a bit so that the ranking stabilizes. Let's see.

                                      Until now, I wonder why 4 slots are needed or is the ratio against other managers according to their level well enough calculated because that leads to this question:

                                      • In order to be top ranked on osm, is it better to play individually 4 accounts against CPU's/weak players ?
                                        Or to play high level leagues/crew competitions ?

                                      What do the medals value more according to you/GB: CPU's/weak managers OR highly competitive managers?

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                                      • SpecialOneS SpecialOne

                                        Looking at the majority of the posts we see in here, all should be fine if we lock the cheaters, is that it?

                                        There will never be a perfect system that please all users. There were several reasons for us to look for a different ranking system (gameplay and technical reasons).

                                        This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

                                        As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

                                        Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

                                        So... my suggestion is:

                                        • Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

                                        NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

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                                        @specialone said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

                                        Looking at the majority of the posts we see in here, all should be fine if we lock the cheaters, is that it?

                                        No

                                        There will never be a perfect system that please all users. There were several reasons for us to look for a different ranking system (gameplay and technical reasons).

                                        Can you give specific reasons for this?

                                        This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

                                        Probably because most managers (I mean those who play battle and other big competitions) did not pay attention to this type of ranking

                                        As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

                                        This is true - it's very difficult to get to the top. However, there were a couple of people who made it to the top 100 in this way and who were banned. How long it took them, I don't know. According to the new ranking, they need about 5-6 months.

                                        Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

                                        I would not agree with this. I think more people will cheat now than before

                                        So... my suggestion is:

                                        • Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

                                        I agree, we need to discuss that as well
                                        This ranking is a bad idea for several reasons:

                                        • (I'm talking about members of the TOP 50 crew) We play battle with extremely good managers and it is difficult to maintain a positive number of medal points. For that reason, amateurs will have an advantage over us who play this longer;
                                        • There are other competitions like CrewCup, FMS, NationCup ... and it is much harder to beat an opponent than in the noob league;
                                        • The only advantage of this ranking are beginners and those who never play against good managers. If they played, they would pass as Barcelona against Bayern πŸ˜‚

                                        NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

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                                        • MΓ‘rcio Girilim SantosM MΓ‘rcio Girilim Santos

                                          Good morning to all.

                                          I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesnΒ΄t agreed with that.

                                          I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

                                          The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
                                          If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
                                          ➑ SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
                                          ➑ SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
                                          ➑ SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
                                          ➑ SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

                                          πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

                                          Shame...

                                          If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...πŸ™

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                                          @mΓ‘rcio-girilim-santos
                                          Oh god what the hell man! This is too unfair!

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