Lock the spy/data analyser
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@The-Flamish That is correct , at the moment...
Thank you for your posts in both topics.
Fingers crossed for any future changes ...
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@The-Flamish Why should the spy removed?
That's part of the game, everyone use it to decide strategy that's how the game works. If you don't want them to spy on you on certain matches you can set a secret trainings isn't it? -
@Acantha said in OSM Game Features : Chatroom - Suggestions:
@The-Flamish Why should the spy removed?
That's part of the game, everyone use it to decide strategy that's how the game works. If you don't want them to spy on you on certain matches you can set a secret trainings isn't it?I think you don't get it...
I DON'T want the spy to be removed, I want to have the option to remove it if I create a private league.
I can not be online all day so I want to play chill and do my line-up when I have time. I don't want matches to be decided by clicking on a button and watching the opponent's tactics the latest.
I'm sorry but using the spy, that's not "strategy", that's just being online 5 minutes before a game...
Secret training camps ? Let's think, you can only do 6 a season and it costs you Boss coins whilst the spy is "free"and you can do it every match, not logic to me...
Read the post I made about it https://forum.onlinesoccermanager.com/topic/48121/lock-the-spy-data-analyser/9
There is more info,
To be clear, for you and others who didn't understand, I suggested to make the spy like training camps in private leagues: You can choose to lock them or not (only in private leagues).
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@The-Flamish Yes, I did get it.
The most people out here aren't online 24/7, so let me ask you a question.
Do you really believe that the last one to set a tactic to counter opponent will win for sure? -
@Acantha I do not believe it, I lived it.
I'm not saying it's 100% true, but it's definitely not going to win you trophies. I don't even see what's amusing about knowing everything about your opponent.
Don't you wanna feel like a real manager ? Analyze the opponent by the games he played before, deduct what he'll do and try to make the best out of it ?
I mean you really enjoy clicking a button and discovering all of this ? Don't you want to be able to compete in a way where everyone is equal even if it is only in private leagues ?
Why even make it possible to lock the secret training, training camps, fast timer options then ?
I want the spy to stay in the game, I've always known it that way but I want some real challenge, I want my own leagues to be equal leagues.
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@The-Flamish I really like your points, would be nice if we had the option to change in moderator tools
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@The-Flamish There's no team that can practice all season behind closed doors, so it wouldn't make any sense to have that option on league settings.
Data analist also doesn't reveal the complete tactic, the really important settings are secret.
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@Acantha There is also no team that can spy on other teams every matchday without getting caught or receiving fake info, so it doesn't make any sense either.
"The really important things are secret" ? You must be kidding right ?
The spy gives you the line-up, your attack tactic, your defense tactic, your intensity, etc...
The only thing it doesn't tell is your sliders and your specialists, yeah sure that's definitely the important things...
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@The-Flamish
You mean one osm matchday, that normally is one week, that sounds more then normal in my book.Also info from data analist is from the moment you'll check, every user including yourself can change it.
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@Acantha Oh so it's normal for you that football clubs spy on each other ? So stealing things is normal to you ? I'm sorry but I don't think it's normal.
And yes we are in a game, but if I want to escape from this sad reality we live in and play some soccer manager equally with others who also want this, why be against it ?
As said above most of the people using the spy look at it 5 minutes before the game, so if I make my line-up at 5 pm, because you know, afterwards, I like spending time with my wife and family.
The guy sees my tactics, changes his and I can't change them because I don't want to play the game this way.
I don't even get why you are so against my suggestion. Because even if it gets implemented it's not going to change your little world nor your way of playing...
If you get excited by clicking on a button then please, continue doing so, I have no problem with it. But there are people who are willing think a bit more in this game so why go against them ?
My suggestion is for private leagues only, not for the game in general, so I really don't understand your responses. You're the only one who's against, the other people who talked to me were in favour.
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@The-Flamish So others play the game as it should, and you would like something to be added because you don't play the game as everyone else?
That's a bit to easy isn't it?If you don't want to be spied on then you can always lock the league and play alone then problem is solved.
You should use the functions this game has to offer and not complain if others do use those functions.
I did understand you want it for private leagues only, but since teams are never play a whole season behind closed doors as I've mentiont before, you can't expect that something like that will be added.
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@The-Flamish I would love to have an option to turn off the spy on private leagues because it would be nice to be able to play OSM every now and then without having to worry about other teams knowing your tactics, even if it means I don't know theirs. I do agree that the spy should not be deleted altogether because it is good for using in open leagues every matchday. I also agree that in real life, stealing tactics from the other team is not normal nor realistic at all. But just make sure you are not too snappy when replying to others that have a different opinion than you because we all want OSM to get better to its full potential.
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@Acantha I don't want to offend you Acantha, but it seems that you don't get the point in what The Flamish tries to explain, and I can't help it but his idea about locking the Spy isn't that strange at all! Yes, you can do secret trainingcamps and try to outsmart the opponents Spy that way, but you said that since teams never play a whole season behind closes doors, that he can't expect something like that will be added?????
I guess he likes to play in leagues that are fairly balanced, so tactical awareness is something that is a lot more important to look after then or maybe he likes to play with the small teams, those who are expected to relegate for example...
He just wants to make clear that football teams have some kind af style they are adapted to, but like in real life no-one knows how teams going to start the game, with a familiar tactic, or do they have some kind of surprise in mind????
It makes the game a lot more challenging for those who are veterans here at OSM, but is the match-engine strong enough to handle this locked Spy feature?
Greeeeeeetzzzzz!!!
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@Acantha if you want the spy then don’t go in leagues that have them turned off it, simple.
OSM locks the leagues that people create that change the moderator tools so just don’t try and join other people’s leagues that’s been made that’s locked. Easy to avoid.
It would be nice to have that option in moderator tools I think. Why so strongly against it?
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@jeffro-davies That's pretty simple, it belongs to tasks from the manager.
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@Acantha So a game cannot get beter ?
So for you a game is created and it should never get modified because you just have to play the game as it is and not talk about any suggestions ?
So your "answer" to my suggestion is: "Play alone if you don't want to geek on this game"
As said before, teams don't spy on other teams every round either so your argument is meaningless.
"it belongs to tasks from the manager" Do you know what a manager in real life does ? Do you know what a real data analyst does ? He watches the last matches of the opponent and with that info he sets a tactic. This also explains why it's logic to have the tactics of the previous matches: you watch them to analyze the opponent.
I understand you're against, even though you don't give any reason but ok I respect your opinion and thank you for giving it.
To all the others, thanks for your positive reactions, I knew I wasn't the only one who'd love to play some equally matched leagues without having to be online on the right time.
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@The-Flamish Yes a game will be better and if it's a good suggestion then there's a chance it will be there.
But this simply isn't a good idea, they will not lock spy for a whole season.
Teams have also open trainings in real life, who's saying no one will check other teams out, it could even be via previcious video matches of the oponent etc.If the manager of the team is good then he will do his best to know all he can about his oponent, to know how to play the best against him.
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@Acantha Sorry to go against you but you're the only one against it so I think it's a good suggestion, more it's not gamechanging in any way for people who like it this way.
You know as I do that no intelligent trainer does tactical trainings during open trainings, they just run around do some excercices for the spectators...
Yes agreed, if the manager is "Good" not if the manager clicked on a button. Your manager skills (analysing, interpreting) should decide if you get the info not by clicking a button.
If you're telling me that you call someone a good manager by clicking a button then I think my point is clear.
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@The-Flamish There are more against it only I'm the one that speaks about it here.
Fact still is that not whole tactic is given away and those even if you don't agree with it they are an important part of the whole tactic.There's never a garanty for a win also, so if your tactic really is great there's an possibillity the counter will fail.
I've already provided you enough reasons why GB will not implement this, you can agree with it or not, but you'll see it for yourself
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@Acantha I haven't really seen anyone against it here, but whatever. If someone is against or supporting a suggestion then they should speak about it here, not someone else speaking for their opinion. I still would love to see an option to turn off spy in private leagues, as mentioned earlier. But I am wondering, after using this forum for almost two months and observing: Why do you always have a somewhat negative reaction to any suggestion? Even in the suggestions chatroom, it always seemed like were always against suggestions. When I don't agree with something, I try to find ways to maybe modify it to make it better. (Not trying to be rude) But I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I would love to actually see someone of higher representation of OSM, if it is possible, provide us with reasons why this suggestion won't be implemented, or even be considered for implementation into OSM. I think we should all wait for a final response on whether this suggestion is possible or not, preferably forum a forum mod or admin instead of a regular user because we cannot keep talking about this forever.
