Lock the spy/data analyser
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@The-Flamish
Hi
I am with you on the last point : on private league ; it is good if we can Iock the spy from settings
But the features must be on the game . We can't delete the spy
About the work of looking and studying your opponent; that 's good and spy is just to help you not to give you how to beat opponent
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@The-Flamish said in Lock the spy/data analyser:
Hi,
I discovered this game about 7 years ago and I really enjoyed it at first. After a few years I gave up on it.
Now last year I came back, to try the new OSM.
Hello to you too and welcome back to your new OSM adventures !
Sadly I didn't enjoy it as much as I could have... The reason ?
Oh, sorry to hear that...
The spy. Every time I joined a league people use the spy, at first I didn't use it, I analysed my opponent's previous matches to determine which tactics he would use, but as most people use the spy you just get beaten by a guy that was online 5 minutes before the game and didn't even think about his line-up or tactics because he already knew everything about yours...
I see, I get your point here...
The fact is that I personnaly find no enjoyment what so ever, if the match is decided by who looked at the other ones tactics the latest before the game...
Sorry that I have to disagree with you but I will explain to you why... Give it some time first and you will also discover that Spy or not we are not always able to counter the opponent's settings and win.
I don't even get why this feature exists in a game that tries to be as realistic as possible.
Because just like you said already , it is a game. Of course it has features that make it look as realistic as possible but it must also provide some fun features for its users. And I do love the Spy aka Data Analyst so much! He's wicked alright but so fun to work with him.
Of course that's just my personal opinion about it.Analysing the opponent that's REAL manager work, not clicking on a button and asking in the tactics forum what to do against this tactic....
Ok , maybe there is no option ( at least not yet ) to disable completely this feature but we also have another feature called : Secret Training ( ST )!
Have you tried this feature or not yet? If you haven't noticed this feature then maybe it's the answer to your wish. We get to use a ST only 6 times during each league but you could give it a try by choosing a small league to play , one of 8 or 10 clubs for example.
Whenever you activate a ST , your opponent's Spy intel are blocked for good! Wicked , I told you...
Just want to say this is my personal opinion and I don't want to condamne people who use it or who enjoy this feature, everybody must do what he enjoys the most.
No worries mate , certainly you have every right to express your own opinion about the OSM game and how you see it. In fact we have an official topic for that matter. For managers to post , share and discuss about
their own thoughts and ideas concerning the game's features. Here ... https://forum.onlinesoccermanager.com/topic/3310/osm-game-features-chatroom-suggestions?page=1
Have a look at it if you want.
Anyway I want to know if there is a way to lock the spy if I create my own league ?
Not yet my friend... But who knows what the future brings...
I tried it but I couldn't find the button to lock it.
Explore all the new features beginning with the Secret Training.
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Note
I moved this topic from the Support category in here , on the Game category. Because I'm curious to find out what other managers think about it...Well, what do you say guys and gals ?
To Spy or Not to Spy ?
That is the question...
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@The-Flamish You're welcome.
And I have already provided you the link of our Official Suggestions topic.
Feel free to post in there any of your own ideas and proposals.
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@The-Flamish That is correct , at the moment...
Thank you for your posts in both topics.
Fingers crossed for any future changes ...
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@The-Flamish Why should the spy removed?
That's part of the game, everyone use it to decide strategy that's how the game works. If you don't want them to spy on you on certain matches you can set a secret trainings isn't it? -
@The-Flamish Yes, I did get it.
The most people out here aren't online 24/7, so let me ask you a question.
Do you really believe that the last one to set a tactic to counter opponent will win for sure? -
@The-Flamish I really like your points, would be nice if we had the option to change in moderator tools
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@The-Flamish There's no team that can practice all season behind closed doors, so it wouldn't make any sense to have that option on league settings.
Data analist also doesn't reveal the complete tactic, the really important settings are secret.
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@The-Flamish
You mean one osm matchday, that normally is one week, that sounds more then normal in my book.Also info from data analist is from the moment you'll check, every user including yourself can change it.
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@The-Flamish So others play the game as it should, and you would like something to be added because you don't play the game as everyone else?
That's a bit to easy isn't it?If you don't want to be spied on then you can always lock the league and play alone then problem is solved.
You should use the functions this game has to offer and not complain if others do use those functions.
I did understand you want it for private leagues only, but since teams are never play a whole season behind closed doors as I've mentiont before, you can't expect that something like that will be added.
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@The-Flamish I would love to have an option to turn off the spy on private leagues because it would be nice to be able to play OSM every now and then without having to worry about other teams knowing your tactics, even if it means I don't know theirs. I do agree that the spy should not be deleted altogether because it is good for using in open leagues every matchday. I also agree that in real life, stealing tactics from the other team is not normal nor realistic at all. But just make sure you are not too snappy when replying to others that have a different opinion than you because we all want OSM to get better to its full potential.
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@Acantha if you want the spy then donβt go in leagues that have them turned off it, simple.
OSM locks the leagues that people create that change the moderator tools so just donβt try and join other peopleβs leagues thatβs been made thatβs locked. Easy to avoid.
It would be nice to have that option in moderator tools I think. Why so strongly against it?
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@jeffro-davies That's pretty simple, it belongs to tasks from the manager.
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@The-Flamish Yes a game will be better and if it's a good suggestion then there's a chance it will be there.
But this simply isn't a good idea, they will not lock spy for a whole season.
Teams have also open trainings in real life, who's saying no one will check other teams out, it could even be via previcious video matches of the oponent etc.If the manager of the team is good then he will do his best to know all he can about his oponent, to know how to play the best against him.
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@The-Flamish There are more against it only I'm the one that speaks about it here.
Fact still is that not whole tactic is given away and those even if you don't agree with it they are an important part of the whole tactic.There's never a garanty for a win also, so if your tactic really is great there's an possibillity the counter will fail.
I've already provided you enough reasons why GB will not implement this, you can agree with it or not, but you'll see it for yourself
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@Acantha I haven't really seen anyone against it here, but whatever. If someone is against or supporting a suggestion then they should speak about it here, not someone else speaking for their opinion. I still would love to see an option to turn off spy in private leagues, as mentioned earlier. But I am wondering, after using this forum for almost two months and observing: Why do you always have a somewhat negative reaction to any suggestion? Even in the suggestions chatroom, it always seemed like were always against suggestions. When I don't agree with something, I try to find ways to maybe modify it to make it better. (Not trying to be rude) But I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I would love to actually see someone of higher representation of OSM, if it is possible, provide us with reasons why this suggestion won't be implemented, or even be considered for implementation into OSM. I think we should all wait for a final response on whether this suggestion is possible or not, preferably forum a forum mod or admin instead of a regular user because we cannot keep talking about this forever.
