Improvement of fair play
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@SUPERNOVA-8
Hi Sophie. Agree. This should be a constructive discussion with some good arguments.
Can you please explain me how some of these managers (cheaters) can be reported from other managers of the same league if all other accounts in the league are multi-accounts managed by the cheater? He will report himself?
I guarantee if guys who are responsible for cheat reports would take their time to check Top100 managers in detail they would find 10-20 cheaters easy, also with same IP's.
It seems like the IP adress is the main thing. That means if someone download or buy some VPN programm for changing IP adresses he can play free? What about other factors and rules?Here is rule number 8, one of basic OSM rules:
- Collaboration between managers in all leagues is prohibited at OSM. This includes the fixing of matches and the use of the transfers system to give one club an unfair advantage over another. Factors which will be considered such include, but are not be limited to: deliberately poor team line-ups; players deliberately lined up in the wrong positions; managers joining a league and then resigning after a few days with the deliberate intention of colluding with another manager; the specific use of Training Camps to affect or alter Results in order to gain an unfair advantage or to protect another manager.
118 scored goals in 14 matches? 8.42 goals per game. More than 8 gaols per match? That's not fixing matches? That's not giving advantage to one manager? I'm not in that league, but I guess the opponents must put some poor line-ups and tactics + players on wrong positions to concede 8+ goals each time.
All written in the rules.All guys who are responsible for cheat reports didn't started to play OSM yesterday. They are full of experience. They know what's going on after 2 mins. When you see such a league with such a goal difference, with no transfers in the league where a team with players rated 60-70 is scoring 8 goals each round and with 5-6 crazy results and 10 crazy tactics/lineup's each round, is it not enough evidences for you to suspend these managers?? They must not be suspended permanent. 60 days is ok. Put them on some list, give them another chance and follow their work after they come back. If they continue in the same way ban them permanent.
My opinion is that there are not enough guys interested to do this work, to check all managers in Top100. Also, I think that some guys protect managers from their communities and don't handle the cheat reports like they should really do.
If u need help about some suspicious accounts I can send u 10-15 links/names any time.
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@MenagerBL said in Improvement of fair play:
@SUPERNOVA-8
Hi Sophie. Agree. This should be a constructive discussion with some good arguments.Hi Nenad . Yeah, I hope for that mate but when I say arguments I don't mean aggressive posts or forum fights.
I'm asking you guys to share any useful and fresh ideas in here. Ok , so cheating sucks ! But of course! We all know and agree on that.
The question is : How do you ( and anybody else reading this topic ) think GameBasics can improve the system to prevent cheating or to catch those cheaters, in a way that there will be no doubts about it ?Can you please explain me how some of these managers (cheaters) can be reported from other managers of the same league if all other accounts in the league are multi-accounts managed by the cheater? He will report himself?
No Nenad , I'm sorry but I can't. Personally I have no idea how or why users cheat. Tbh, I have never thought about it. But if there is one thing I can tell you now is that whenever you guys are sure any user cheats and find out that Support Staff didnโt lock him up, then itโs because there were not strong enough evidences to help them nail the guy for good.
I guarantee if guys who are responsible for cheat reports would take their time to check Top100 managers in detail they would find 10-20 cheaters easy, also with same IP's.
It seems like the IP adress is the main thing. That means if someone download or buy some VPN programm for changing IP adresses he can play free? What about other factors and rules?Mate I don't even know what this VPN thing is !! Give me a break now , will ya ?
I don't know. 
Do you know about these stuff ? If you are good with technology then maybe you will come up with a fine solution to this matter.
My opinion is that there are not enough guys interested to do this work, to check all managers in Top100. Also, I think that some guys protect managers from their communities and don't handle the cheat reports like they should really do.
Here we go again... disrespectful accusations all over...
Come on Nenad , this is totally not the right way for a constructive discussion. Can't you see that ? 
If u need help about some suspicious accounts I can send u 10-15 links/names any time.
Haha, that was funny.
I would definitely take your offer if I was a Staff Support. But I'm not. I'm just a Forum Mod and more of a manager just like you guys. 
And I intend to remain just a Mod ! โEducating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.โ Aristotle
Sophia ~ Salonica ~ Greece ~ ๐๐ค๐ -
@SUPERNOVA-8 it happens, itโs obvious. As @Majstor-Matt has just said. He knows of 4 and he hasnโt looked for ages
My comment is not aimed at OSM forums moderators or admins, I donโt know whoโs job it is if it is anyones? If you canโt report people that are not in your league these people will always go undetected. -
@MenagerBL yes
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@SUPERNOVA-8 said in Improvement of fair play:
@roni-meda @MenagerBL @jeffro-davies @uchenna-a
Hello guys !
As you can see I have brought your posts in here in hope that we are going to have a constructive discussion and some good arguments on how to deal with cheaters on OSM. But at the same time I hope not to read again posts with nothing more to offer than accusations against Gamebasics or Admins because it is not helping at all and most important it does not make any sense. Everybody agrees that users who can only play against the OSM Terms is a pain for the rest of us decent managers and they give bad reputation to this game that we enjoy playing.One again, just like the suggestions topic a few days ago, you're accusing me of something I didn't do. You once again mentioned my name unjustly in a post because of an accusation that I didn't do. Your post showed that I was one of the managers that accused Gamebasics or Admins when I did not even mention Gamebasics or Admins? I was just talking about how it is hard to find leagues that are active for a while, and I didn't even mention Gambeasics or Admins in my sole post, and I get accused??? Don't understand to be honest why my name was mentioned again in this type of post. I am not purely mad, just annoyed that this has happened to me again, so I hope that you don't negatively mention my name in your posts for something I was not even talking about, it just seems like a false accusation for me.
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@uchenna-a I had to move your post / reply to Jeff as part of a specific discussion about cheating. I had to tag your username as a way for you to notice that your post was moved from the Suggestions topic into this one here. That was all.
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@SUPERNOVA-8 Okay thanks for clarifying things. All's good here
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@uchenna-a Cool
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Whyโs Matts comments been removed?
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@jeffro-davies They are not removed Jeff, his posts are on page 1 mate.
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how to improve:
1. daily control of the top 100.
2. possibility to report a cheat from another league.
Only these two simple things are enough to stop cheaters -
Top 100 is not the big thing here. There are lots of users using a simple strategy to gain mp and we need a anti-cheat bot that will be automatic and running on a daily basis.
Doing this would be hard for any company and not in big interest to invest on it, I will not do such things.
What I will do 1st thing is removing top 100 based on country
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@roni-meda But how exactly should the top 100 be controlled daily? It would be nice if you could expand on your suggestion 1. Personally, If I took OSM seriously enough and I was in the top 100 I would not like my profile to be checked every day. If it had to be checked often I would say maybe 2-4 times a month maybe.
Also, I would suggest removing the top 100 based on country, just like what was previously stated in the post before me. I don't think it is hugely necessary to know who is the best in just your single country in my opinion. If it had to be replaced maybe I would suggest a ranking based on continent instead of country. But honestly, I would rather just suggest top 100 based on country be removed than it being removed and replacing it with a top 100 based on continent. This suggestion is not a major suggestion for me, in fact it would not be a huge deal if it does not happen anyways, but I still suggest it because I think it would be good if it does happen.
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@MenagerBL @jeffro-davies @roni-meda @bearded-conte
Hi again guys !
I'm back on this discussion, cause in case I haven't made it yet clear to everyone , I'm really interested to hear more about your thoughts and ideas on this very important subject which concerns the well being of the whole OSM community.
So after reading and thinking about your so far posts here are few questions I'd like to make at this point :
Do you believe that cheaters from TOP 100 are noobs or that naive to the point to get easily caught?
Are you aware of any suspicious situations and you are not able to report them via the Report as Cheater button? If that's the case then by all means please report them via a mail to the OSM Support team ( en.support@onlinesoccermanager.com ) and make sure you add evidences that are good enough for Staff to check upon those leagues. Also state clearly that you can't report them from within a certain league.
About checking the Top 100 on a daily basis, or even two or three times per month...
Guys I'm sorry to tell you this but ( bitter truth ) sometimes Staff don't even have enough time to stay up to date with the reports that users already send on a daily basis.
How on earth do you expect them to find the extra time to check the Top 100 that often ?
So why not ask you this : Is any of you willing to apply yourself to join the Support Team and do this control regularly ?
Once again I need to tell you the reason for why we allowed this topic... Because if even one of you has a really good idea for devvers to implement it and catch those who break OSM Terms ( not just as a suspect but for whoever you have real and strong evidences to present as a case for serious investigation ) then it is a must to share it in here!
By the way @Majstor-Matt Matty , about the previous chat we had here... I did ask about it and I was informed that no manager/cheater was ever suspended for just 3 or 6 months mate.
Therefore I have to kindly ask of you to forward to us the usernames of these managers that you mentioned on your post ( of course in private if you prefer it , I can respect that ) so we can investigate them and found out what exactly had happened with their accounts.Thank you all guys for reading this , I really appreciate your time and any help offered and I expect your new posts.
โEducating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.โ Aristotle
Sophia ~ Salonica ~ Greece ~ ๐๐ค๐ -
@SUPERNOVA-8 said in Improvement of fair play:
About checking the Top 100 on a daily basis, or even two or three times per month...
Guys I'm sorry to tell you this but ( bitter truth ) sometimes Staff don't even have enough time to stay up to date with the reports that users already send on a daily basis.
How on earth do you expect them to find the extra time to check the Top 100 that often ?
So why not ask you this : Is any of you willing to apply yourself to join the Support Team and do this control regularly ?To be honest I was thinking the same. This game has hundreds of thousands of users, if not millions, but just few guys in the Support Team.
I'm ready to join the team and learn all what is needed, even only for that specific job.
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@MenagerBL said in Improvement of fair play:
To be honest I was thinking the same. This game has hundreds of thousands of users, if not millions, but just few guys in the Support Team.
I'm ready to join the team and learn all what is needed, even only for that specific job.
They are millions mate.
And yes do keep in mind that cheat reports are mostly handled by Staff Support. And what is a Staff Support Nenad ? A volunteering manager on OSM , not a GB employee, just a person with his or her real life duties to handle too and not being able to work on his OSM tasks 24/7.
Thank you for your reply and kind offer Nenad. I will pass your interest to join this " fight club " !
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@SUPERNOVA-8 Of course, I understand. A volunteering manager...I don't expect a salary for my work...
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Note Hi Uchenna !
As you will notice , I didn't tag your name this time mate to avoid any over reaction from your side... I know by now that you read every topic so feel free to continue with your posts and opinions on our discussion ... tag or no tag ... Deal ? โEducating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.โ Aristotle
Sophia ~ Salonica ~ Greece ~ ๐๐ค๐ -
P.S. Another important thing Nenad. @MenagerBL
Since you offer yourself to join forces with the English Support Team then you could make a great start by removing your downvote from Uchenna's post mate.
In case you wonder why I ask you to do this, it's because no OSM manager and even more a member of our Support team is allowed to treat other users with disrespect or any kind of hostility. You have your right to your opinion as an old and experienced manager in here but Uchenna has also every right to express himself and share his honest opinion on the World forum as a brand new member of our community without having to worry of getting criticized or disapproved by another fellow manager.
Is this understood Nenad ?
