Improvement of fair play
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@MenagerBL @jeffro-davies @roni-meda @bearded-conte
Hi again guys !
I'm back on this discussion, cause in case I haven't made it yet clear to everyone , I'm really interested to hear more about your thoughts and ideas on this very important subject which concerns the well being of the whole OSM community.
So after reading and thinking about your so far posts here are few questions I'd like to make at this point :
Do you believe that cheaters from TOP 100 are noobs or that naive to the point to get easily caught?
Are you aware of any suspicious situations and you are not able to report them via the Report as Cheater button? If that's the case then by all means please report them via a mail to the OSM Support team ( en.support@onlinesoccermanager.com ) and make sure you add evidences that are good enough for Staff to check upon those leagues. Also state clearly that you can't report them from within a certain league.
About checking the Top 100 on a daily basis, or even two or three times per month...
Guys I'm sorry to tell you this but ( bitter truth ) sometimes Staff don't even have enough time to stay up to date with the reports that users already send on a daily basis.
How on earth do you expect them to find the extra time to check the Top 100 that often ?
So why not ask you this : Is any of you willing to apply yourself to join the Support Team and do this control regularly ?
Once again I need to tell you the reason for why we allowed this topic... Because if even one of you has a really good idea for devvers to implement it and catch those who break OSM Terms ( not just as a suspect but for whoever you have real and strong evidences to present as a case for serious investigation ) then it is a must to share it in here!
By the way @Majstor-Matt Matty , about the previous chat we had here... I did ask about it and I was informed that no manager/cheater was ever suspended for just 3 or 6 months mate.
Therefore I have to kindly ask of you to forward to us the usernames of these managers that you mentioned on your post ( of course in private if you prefer it , I can respect that ) so we can investigate them and found out what exactly had happened with their accounts.Thank you all guys for reading this , I really appreciate your time and any help offered and I expect your new posts.
“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” Aristotle
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@SUPERNOVA-8 said in Improvement of fair play:
About checking the Top 100 on a daily basis, or even two or three times per month...
Guys I'm sorry to tell you this but ( bitter truth ) sometimes Staff don't even have enough time to stay up to date with the reports that users already send on a daily basis.
How on earth do you expect them to find the extra time to check the Top 100 that often ?
So why not ask you this : Is any of you willing to apply yourself to join the Support Team and do this control regularly ?To be honest I was thinking the same. This game has hundreds of thousands of users, if not millions, but just few guys in the Support Team.
I'm ready to join the team and learn all what is needed, even only for that specific job.
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@MenagerBL said in Improvement of fair play:
To be honest I was thinking the same. This game has hundreds of thousands of users, if not millions, but just few guys in the Support Team.
I'm ready to join the team and learn all what is needed, even only for that specific job.
They are millions mate.
And yes do keep in mind that cheat reports are mostly handled by Staff Support. And what is a Staff Support Nenad ? A volunteering manager on OSM , not a GB employee, just a person with his or her real life duties to handle too and not being able to work on his OSM tasks 24/7.
Thank you for your reply and kind offer Nenad. I will pass your interest to join this " fight club " !
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@SUPERNOVA-8 Of course, I understand. A volunteering manager...I don't expect a salary for my work...
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Note Hi Uchenna !
As you will notice , I didn't tag your name this time mate to avoid any over reaction from your side... 
I know by now that you read every topic so feel free to continue with your posts and opinions on our discussion ... tag or no tag ... Deal ? “Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” Aristotle
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P.S. Another important thing Nenad. @MenagerBL
Since you offer yourself to join forces with the English Support Team then you could make a great start by removing your downvote from Uchenna's post mate.
In case you wonder why I ask you to do this, it's because no OSM manager and even more a member of our Support team is allowed to treat other users with disrespect or any kind of hostility. You have your right to your opinion as an old and experienced manager in here but Uchenna has also every right to express himself and share his honest opinion on the World forum as a brand new member of our community without having to worry of getting criticized or disapproved by another fellow manager.
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Why are there "downotes" If they cant be used? If I dont think something is good or If I strongly disagree with someones opinion, why shoudlnt I be able to dislike it? That does not mean I dont respect someone, I just dont agree with the things he said...
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@Majstor-Matt said in Improvement of fair play:
Why are there "downotes" If they cant be used? If I dont think something is good or If I strongly disagree with someones opinion, why shoudlnt I be able to dislike it? That does not mean I dont respect someone, I just dont agree with the things he said...
Since you are asking me Matty ( and thank you for giving me this opportunity to explain this ) I was always against the downvoting part , because it is 99% of the times used for all the wrong reasons on the forums.
If I don't agree with someone's post and opinion I speak up. I post my own reply and opinion. I present my own thoughts and suggestions. Why should anybody get to see this minus ( - ) symbol on a post ?
Which sadly is translated in our modern times as a "dislike" button . I'm sorry but I find it so rude and hostile way for anyone to show he disagrees with an opinion by simply giving a downvote and without giving the chance to the manager to defend himself via a civilised dialogue. -
@SUPERNOVA-8 said in Improvement of fair play:
If that's the case then by all means please report them via a mail to the OSM Support team ( en.support@onlinesoccermanager.com )
they told to me '' you have to report through the game , because we can't react without a report ''
@MenagerBL said in Improvement of fair play:
Now at the moment there are at least 10-15 cheaters in top100.
Same pattern: all multi-accounts loged from PC (accounts with no history, mostly more loses than wins), strange goal difference for all clubs (cheater already scored 50+ goals in 6-7 matches), no transfers in league (all clubs with players 60-70) all wins for cheater even if his squad is worth 60-70M etc. Very easy to discover.you know why so many cheaters aren't blocked, because they hold the top rankings of their country in the ranking of countries in the world.
A staff supporter from a country that is not one of the top 20 ranking countries would be the ideal solution.
meanwhile, after 5 days of reporting, everything proceeds normally, nothing irregular
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@roni-meda
But you are the first who should be punished for multiple accounts
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@نااانسي-عجرم Nah, he just knows how to find a team free on top spot 4 days before league ends. Its skill
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@نااانسي-عجرم said in Improvement of fair play:
@roni-meda
But you are the first who should be punished for multiple accountsRiadh you cannot accuse another manager this way in public without even having some solid proof - evidences that he is acting against the OSM Terms and as if this wasn't unfair enough... You downvote his post and personal opinion on a discussion topic and ... what's with your emoji mate? You stubb the guy and then you give him a hug ?
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Do you see what just happened here guys? So very often an x manager might think , believe , have a hunch ( call it however you want ) that a y manager is a cheater. But that's not always the case. We can only report a manager if and when we are 100% sure of his illegal behavior and only when we are in position to provide solid evidences about it.
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@SUPERNOVA-8
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@نااانسي-عجرم
@roni-meda
And sorry man here ,i just want give a proof of misunderstanding
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@نااانسي-عجرم Haha, you little devil...
Yeah yeah , I love you too Riadh.
But do me this favor and remove your downvote from Roni's post. I can still see it there.
Please buddy.
It's only fair .“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” Aristotle
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Wow, after Nenad's post about 10-15 managers suspicious in top 100 I couldnt believe in that number and after long period of time I scrolled around managers in top 100 and checked some of the leagues...
Wow.. I cant believe staff is not inspecting this more.. there is really plenty of people playing in weird leagues where plenty of accounts have more losses than wins and people having goal difference of +70 or more with scoring more than 8 goals per game.. WOW, just WOW, I really cant believe that this game came to this.... This really hit me hard I must say, how is it possible that it is not suspicious to those in charge that people score so easilly 8 goals every game?
I played many times in USA league lets say and had players rated 120+ by the end of the league and I played on a regular basis against people and teams that have average of -50 rating per player (their being around 75 lets say and mine being around 115 or 120) and I rarely had the ability to score 7 or 8 goals in every game there.. and these guys are doing it with such ease.. brilliant.. I must have got really rusty and after 10 years of playing the game I obviously have 0% knowledge on tactics and stuff as I cannot do things so easilly...
Not acusing anyone here, they may just be uber pros and discovered the formula of the game so I wont point any fingers here.,..
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@SUPERNOVA-8 Perfect. Deal
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@Majstor-Matt said in Improvement of fair play:
Wow, after Nenad's post about 10-15 managers suspicious in top 100 I couldnt believe in that number and after long period of time I scrolled around managers in top 100 and checked some of the leagues...
Wow.. I cant believe staff is not inspecting this more.. there is really plenty of people playing in weird leagues where plenty of accounts have more losses than wins and people having goal difference of +70 or more with scoring more than 8 goals per game.. WOW, just WOW, I really cant believe that this game came to this.... This really hit me hard I must say, how is it possible that it is not suspicious to those in charge that people score so easilly 8 goals every game?
Not acusing anyone here, they may just be uber pros and discovered the formula of the game so I wont point any fingers here.,..
And here's my opinion on the above text.
In just a single post of yours Matt , you managed to do once again exactly what I have several times kindly asked of you all and advised you and everybody else in here not to do !
Once again you are throwing accusations at every direction! You accuse top ranked managers of being cheaters and you also accuse Staff Support members or/and Admins for not doing their job right (?) !
Wow, wow and wow ! That really hit me hard too mate!
Are you honestly feeling satisfied now? Where is your wisdom ? Where is your long-term experience ? Where is you presenting even one solid case with evidences on those supposedly cheaters ?
Tbh , I'm absolutely gutted by this kind of behavior especially coming from you Matt.
Pure mean unfounded accusations and sarcasm!
Wow indeed mate!! Thanks a lot for your support and contribution to this important for the whole community discussion topic!
And for your information , I'm not feeling at all happy with me having to make this post and talk to you this way. But enough is enough mate! I guess sometimes I have way too high expectations from my own friends.“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” Aristotle
Sophia ~ Salonica ~ Greece ~ 💙🤍💙 -
@SUPERNOVA-8
Done
I forgot it
